Nah think of Scott when he was in Charles in Charge a more mature looking face not the one you put on the forum. I think as Superman not so much like Scott but as Clark he looks more like it. You would need to see him without his shirt on to know if his has the right body for the role because the fabric of the suit is too thick to show any muscular defintion anyhow.
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i tink the suit is some what wrong in my opinion but i do like the superman S thats about it.
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If you have a look at Chris in the superman suit he wore he only has basic definition nothing overly muscular. I would say maybe 15% more than Brandon does in his suit but it wouldn't be any more. Dean's suit allowed for the most definition.
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I justed had a look at capedwonder.com and saw how people had changed the colours, mainly the red, and that is all they needed to change about it to make it more likeable. They even had a first draft version which would have looked great.
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Yeah, your right. It doesn't take a whole lot of altering to make Brandon a little more like Superman.
check out this pic from supermanfanart.com
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Yeah that thing sucks, and the stupid suit likers suck. I don't post in the hype anymore because of them. If you say you showed the suit to people and they didnt like it, they claim you are making it up. And there are a few iritating jerks I want to punch there. but this costume looks gay. Warners is hiding it in their promotion of it, which tells me they know it is a dog. We saw the Batman suit for Batman begins in every poster. The teaser is the S only. I read where the banners will only show Routh's head. Warner's obviously knows it stinks, looks gay, and is hiding it till the very last moment
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Welcome aboard Buggs! I hope Bad Superman and David 33 comes on here to. They were getting to me, so I came here.
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The only two changes Singer should have made to the Reeve suit, is improve the colors, and give the suit a better S.
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The new costume has its ups and downs. The logo is actually very well done, BUT it's too small on the chest and it should be bigger. The belt looks sharp with the S logo as the buckle. The blue is actually a very nice shade of blue. It's a little different from the Reeves' blue, but it's different in a good way. The yellow isn't bright on the costume at all, but it's the third color so it's actually not that big of a deal. The biggest problem with the entire outfit seems to be the red. The colors for Superman are blue, yellow, and RED. Maroon is not a primary color. It looks almost brown and it adds to the horor of the cape and even the boots. Speaking of the cape, something about it just doesn't look right, and there needs to be the logo on the back of the cape too. I havent seen any pics that have the yellow logo on the back of the cape. PLEASE PLEASE somebody needs to do the right thing and fix the red. All other problems with the outfit I can live with except for the "red".
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If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Unfortuanly Singer broke it.
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I haven't seen any shots of the suit from the back if there is any at all so I can't comment on the, possible, lack of a yellow S on the cape. I'll have to wait and see on that one.
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I've seen pictures of it from the back, it looks like a Fruit-Roll Up.
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I took a look at the brandonrouth.com and saw the shots of the cape from the back. They were right there is no S on the cape which means the suit has gotten even more away from what it should be. It still looks like it is made out of leather or vinyl but not a material that will allow it to flow in the breeze or when he walks.
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Good point the ability of the cape to flow is an essential ingredient to Superman. One of the reasons heroes have capes is they help focus on the action the hero makes by flowing in the wind or in Superman's case flowing around as he flies. Surely, Singer's cape is got to flow around. That would be so wrong not to have Supes cape freely moving around. It's bad enough Batman looks so stiff he can barely punch out the bad guys.
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I don't know Tim but I browsed over a Batman comic the other day and didn't notice if his suit was bullet proof. Hollywood wants to give the impression that Batman's suit is pretty indesrtuctable but not him which means that the suit has to appear to be made of a bullet proof substance. I guess it is hard to give that impression with a suit that looks like it made of lycra or spandex.
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Unless they've change Batman in the last couple of years his suit is made of cloth not rubberized bulletproof material. His thing as always been to be faster and smarter than guys with guys not utilizing a bullet proof vest type suit. Although, if he wore a bullet proof vest underneath his suit that would make sense. I mean who would go up against a bunch of gangersters with guns and not have some kind of protection. I just hate the rubber look. Bats looks like he can't move. He should be acrobatic in his fighting style to a certain degree like Jackie Chan or more like Jet Li. __________________
I hate his costume as well as the actor playing him! Routh is way too lean for Superman. Just look at the comics, Superman is ALWAYS drawn with noticeable muscle definition! And just what the hell was Singer thinking when he hired Routh, anyway! As for the costume, the current one makes him look like a huge fairy! He looks like he forgot to bring his red tutu! His boots look like women's leg boots from the 70's that have received water damage in a recent flood. I hate the emblem, too, it too small and looks like they tried too hard on the design. And what's with the burgundy, he's supposed to have Red, Yellow, and Blue as the color scheme, not Burgundy, Gold, and Blue! And don't get me going on the briefs! They are too front-square, and look like he's advertising for jordash underwear! They need to cover a little more abdomen, be more curved at the waist, and fit more to form! It looks like Branden crapped a beef and bean burito in his tights, and it was big enough to fill up the front as well, but he thought he could hold it in long enough to complete the photo shoot. I think it would be a great idea for people on the bulliten board to post pictures of how they think the costume should really look. And I might just Do that myself. Pull me out, I'm done!
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Hey CyberRaven if you go to brandonrouth.com you and everyone else can see that Brandon does have a good muscular body. There is a shot of him in a gym session where it is very obvious that he is quite large built, big delts, thick traps and pretty good chest. Like I said earlier in this part of the forum the suit doesn't make him look as big as he is and besides find a shot of Chris Reeve in S1, S2, S3 or S4 in his suit where he has great muscular definition. Now don't get me wrong I loved Chris in the role but in S2 when he was in bed with Lois you can see that he is bulky but doesn't have much definition because they had to take him from 170 lbs to 225 lbs. That means they would have had him doing all strength and power workouts with minimal cardio.
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CyberRaven, you are right about the suit, everything about it is bad, but I think Brandon will do fine.
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Yes , the suit blows singer is way off the mark just hope he dosent mess around to much with the plot , i mean the world is supposed to have moved on and learned to cope with out superman ? Does not sound good .
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Well this is what the suit looks like to me
And we could have had a Brandon Routh that looks like this
Even minor adjustments to teh costume make him look better
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how is about this for major suckage
and what really sucks is that, unlike Donner, who let Reeve get as big as he wanted. See the difference
Singer stopped him at a certain build, which isnt even big enough for me, and resorted to a padded undersuit.
Here is Brandon in a T shirt showing his real arms, and all of a sudden when he is in the suit, he is a lot bigger by way of padded suit. YOu can see the difference in his actual size
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Superjohn, actually that shot of him in the bed was for the Lester reshoots in which he trained with Arnold. Arnold just bulked him up. For Superman 1 he trained with David Prowse (Darth Vader) and he did a lot of cardio and was not as cut as Routh, but he was cut. And what is the point of Routh being cut if they are using a stupid padded suit over his real body>
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I did actually know that David Prowse got Chris up to the required size for S1, I think it is a well known superman fact about S1. I think they should have put him with Arnold or Joe Weider instead of David, no offence to him of course. Now I want everybody to take a close look at the shots of Chris from S1 and then tell me why are you all bagging Brandon so much with regards to his build compared to Chris'. There is no 20" arms or 50" chest on Chris or Brandon. Buggs0268, I am sorry to disagree with but the whole idea of there being padding in the new suit is more your point of view, I think, because the area that you are referring to is his ribline not padding. Now is it just me, but on the close-ups, does the suit look like is is made of that speedo sharkskin stuff.
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You know what? Ribs don't do that. They do not stick out of clothing like that. In fact, they rarely show through clothing at all, no matter how defined someone in tight clothing. They just dont. It is in every picture so it is not a trick of the light. And ribs do not show up as upsidedown V's. Also, that is not the same bicep or shoulder as it is in the suit. Routh's Bicep is shorter in the T shirt pic. just becasue it he is flexing it is not what I am talking about. Look at the space in between the end of his bicep and hsi forearm. That is what is called a short bicep. It is a genetic thing. If he had a long one, there would be less of a space in between it in tha pose, or no space at all. In the suit, he has a longer bicep. Also, he is a lot bigger in the suit. Even in that pose, where the bicep is not in a more stretched position, it would be shorter. I was a bodybuilder in high school. I worked out with many gusy who had different genetic muscle makeups and I can tell when something is phony. And those shoulders are not the same. It is not in my mind, he is definately wearing a body suit. They guy who made the body suit had it up in his resume on his site before Warner made him take it down as they didn't want people to know that Brandon is wearing a padded muscle suit. Brandon is wearing a padded suit. It is painfully obvious that he is wearing one.
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Hey guys, new here. Instead of bickering about how the red is the wrong shade, and whether or not he's as big as his publicity picture shows, shouldn't you just be grateful that the movie is getting made in the first place? Now, don't get me wrong. I think all of your opinions are valid, and am not about to say otherwise. But I've been a die hard Superman fan for 19 years. And considering I'm 20, I'd say that's pretty good. I, as well, think the red is the wrong shade, and the "S" might be too small, but I'm much more concerned about how well Brandon Routh convinces us that he is infact Superman, and how well the story is. The costume doesn't make a Superman. It's the man himself, not what he wears. As long as he has the presence of Superman, and he has what it takes, I could get past all the little trivial problem I have with the costume. Bryan Singer knows what he's doing, and I for one trust him. With artistic vision comes a leap of faith. I'm not trying to judge you guys, and tell you that your wrong. But it just seems that while arguing about the costume and how much you hate it, how "gay" it is, and how you think Tom Welling should be Superman, you've forgotten why you're here in the first place. That our icon is finally getting made! I remember how I hated the idea of the X-men in black leather. But once I saw it on the big screen, I was in love with it! Just remember that on the comic book page, there is a lot more freedom to create whatever you want, but not everything you can draw can be created in real life. All I'm saying is be happy that it's even getting made in the first place! And who knows, once you sit down and watch Routh in action, you might forget how the red is too dark, and the briefs are too short.
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Hey buggs0268, how did he get his resume on the warner bros website with that kind of information anyhow? I am a personal trainer so I know about different length biceps aswell. I just think that the material the suit is made of doesn't help his cause, like I said it looks like speedo sharkskin.
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Thanks GBStang68, I appreciate everyone's opinion here. I think the concerns for the costume and what direction Singer might take the project are valid. Even though some of our board members are up in arms, me included, at the same time I am hopeful that it will turn out ok in the end. I've been waiting for a Superman sequel since I was a kid.
It has become more than just a movie to me by the fact it reminds of a time in my life when simply watching Superman on the TV was the biggest event of the year. I didn't see it on the movie screen. My parents didn't take me, so I had to wait for the TV version. That was the biggest event of the year for me when it first premiered on TV.
So as silly as it may seem for a grownup to be so uptight about a movie I guess I have to admit there is a big sentimental attachement to the old movies and I would really love to revisit that same feeling I got as a kid. Supes was my favorite comic character, and I loved comic books. Still do.
I'm in to whole bit that might seem corny to other people. You know the Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In order for Brandon to work as Superman he's got to come across as a small town guy with old fashioned values and a sort of aw shucks attitude that might appear silly to a big city slicker. He also have that awe inspiring heroic presence that a John Wayne might show on the screen. Reeve was a great actor. He took the part very seriously. From what I've read he might even been a little intense, and his professionalism came across on the screen.
Singer is a comic fan I assume. So yes he probably has an good understanding of super heroes in general, but does he really love the story of Superman. You know the guy who made the Spiderman movies was a big fan of Spidey. He created something was true to the character we all know from the comics. It's the love of the character that in the end will show up on the big screen. __________________
I hope Bad Superman and David 33 comes on here to. They were getting to me, so I came here.
