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Quote: Who said that a day for God is the same way we measure a day here (24 hours)?? I feel sorry for you zod99.
and that dinosaurs lived with man at the same time and that the world has only been around for 6000 years?? Quote: Anyone who says the The Bible is a myth and a bunch of made up stories is uneducated in it's truth. 
Quote: Amen!!Quote: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Faith is a miracle all unto itself. __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14) 
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| Posted: 03 May 2007 18:59 Last Edited By: scaper | ||
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Look up mokele mbembe on google. It's an animal in the Congo that all the natives have identified as a Saurapod of about thirty feet in length. The natives had never even heard of dinasours but explorers trying to figure out what animal this could be showed the natives photos of every animal of good size to them from africa...none were selected by the natives. So when these natives were shown a photo of a Saurapod (a small brontasarous) they call and pointed "MOKELE MOKELE". Since looking for this thing they have castings of three foot wide three toed footprints and some explores have claimed to come upon it though it runs extremely fast and plunges in the rivers and or swamps. The natives say that it kills hipos and elephants, and in these areas there are no hipos to be found. It's unchanged from it's original skeletal remains we have today from the fossil records. If found to be true and this animal is still alive today, it will turn the evolutionary theory upside down. The problem is it lives in swampy areas that are hardly accessible and these swamps and lakes cover an area almost the size of British Columbia. Though there are a few people looking for Mokele. I find it really fascinating actually!!! 
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Cool, there is mention of a large creature in Job with the tail like a cedar, and other mentions of a dragon in the Bible. __________________ |
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Behemoth and Leviathon in the sea!!! __________________ Don't mess with me...I'm like a super BABY!!! |
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Dinosaurs and the Bible ( taken from http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml )
Most of us loved reading about dinosaurs at some time in our lives. In 1993, the movie “Jurassic Park” stimulated the public interest in dinosaurs far beyond its previous level. As a result, increasing numbers of people have thought, “Since we have found all these fossils and dinosaur bones, we know dinosaurs existed. How come they are not mentioned in the Bible?” Actually, dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, and we will prove it by doing the following three things: -Examining the Bible’s text and the related scientific facts. -Explaining the accuracy of the Bible. -Exploring what we are taught in school and through the media The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan. Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.” To make things clearer, we constructed the following table comparing the scientific names with the Biblical names tanniyn, behemoth, and Leviathan. “Dinosaur” Names, Then and Now Name and date first written in the Bible Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared tanniyn (dragon)---before 1400 == BC dinosaur 1841 AD behemoth == before 1400 BC --- brachiosaurus 1903 AD Leviathan == before 1400 BC --- kronosaurus 1901 AD How we got these new names is interesting. In 1822, Mary Ann Mantell became the first person to discover and correctly identify a strange bone as part of a large, unknown reptile. Her husband, Dr. Gideon Mantell, later named this creature an “Iguanodon.” From that time forward, these forgotten animals were given names chosen by the people who rediscovered them. Of course, the Bible, written between approximately 1450 BC and 95 AD, does not include any of these names. Reading the Bible carefully, you will realize that no living creature matches the descriptions of behemoth and Leviathan. However, if you grab your kid’s dinosaur book, you will notice several possible matches for each one. Let’s examine those. violet ball Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24 * It “eats grass like an ox.” * It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”) * Its “bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron.” * “He is the first of the ways of God.” * “He lies under the lotus trees, In a covert of reeds and marsh.” Some bibles and study bibles will translate the word “behemoth” as “elephant” or “hippopotamus.” Others will put a note at the edge or bottom of the page, stating that behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus. Although an elephant or hippopotamus can eat grass (or lie in a covert of reeds and marsh), neither an elephant or a hippopotamus has a “tail like a cedar” (that is, a tail like a large, tapered tree trunk). In your kid’s dinosaur book you will find lots of animals that have “tails like a cedar.” We would expect behemoth to be a large land animal whose bones are like beams of bronze and so forth, so whatever a behemoth is, it is large. A key phrase is “He is the first of the ways of God.” This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created. Although an elephant or a hippopotamus are big, they are less than one-tenth the size of a Brachiosaurus, the largest (complete) dinosaur ever discovered.[1] A Brachiosaurus could therefore easily be described as “the first of the ways of God.” Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come to the conclusion that “behemoth” is not a normal animal, it is a dinosaur—the brachiosaurus. We agree with that conclusion! Note: Some paleontologists have found fragmentary leg bones, ribs, or vertebrae which they propose belong to “new” sauropods larger than Brachiosaurus. Examples of these include Amphicoelias, Argentinasaurus, Sauroposeidon, Seismosaurus, Supersaurus and Ultrasaurus. There currently is not enough evidence to really determine the size of any of these, and some paleontologists believe that they are merely large examples of known dinosaurs like Brachiosaurus or Diplodocus. In any case, only the “modern scientific name” of behemoth would change. The point would still remain that behemoth refers to a dinosaur, not a “modern animal” like an elephant or hippopotamus. Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing—just enough to make the point. * “No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.” * “Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?” * “His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.” * “His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.” * “Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.” * “On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.” * Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself). * Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1) [a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon). Unlike behemoth, who is huge, Leviathan is ferocious and terrifying. Many references (we have not listed them all) refer to the sea, so Leviathan is probably a sea creature. Although some bibles refer to Leviathan as an alligator or crocodile (and both of these are fierce) neither of these is a sea creature. They like the water, but they spend much of their time on land. Further, the question “Who can open the doors of his face. . . .” implies that nobody can open Leviathan’s jaws. Although an alligator's jaws cannot normally be forced open, a punch to their sensitive snout or poke in eye might startle them enough to release their grip.[2] Although this is a good description of an alligator characteristic, it does not fit perfectly with the description of Leviathan, which in the context of the Bible was supposed to describe an essentially impossible event, and we are not done yet. The description of the scales is interesting. Several verses describe these great scales. Compared to Leviathan’s armor, iron is like straw and arrows ca not make it flee. Let’s face it, an arrow can do a lot of damage to a crocodile or alligator. This is not a description of either of them—or any living animal we are aware of. And now for the key ingredient: fire. It is hard to read Job 41:18-21 without realizing the Bible is telling us that Leviathan breathes fire. That alone will eliminate almost every living animal. Yes, there is one animal like that in today’s world. It is called a bombardier beetle. This beetle is a native of Central America, and has a nozzle in its hind end that acts like a little flame thrower. It sprays a high-temperature jet of gas (fueled by hydroquinones and hydrogen peroxide with oxidative enzymes) for protection. Now, if a Central American beetle can do it, so could Leviathan. By the way, crocodiles and alligators are out of the picture on this one, don’t you agree? Before we leave the topic of fire, there are two more notes you may find interesting: * The history of every culture is filled with stories of fire-breathing dragons. If you think about it, in all the past ages wouldn’t someone have made up a story of a fire-breathing lion or something? Nobody did because the dragon stories are based on truth, and only “dragons” breathed fire. It is easy to imagine Leviathan as a member of the dragon (tanniyn) family. (Plus, Isaiah 27:1 strongly implies this connection.) * Many fossil dinosaur skulls contain unexplained, empty passages. Scientists have not been able to guess the reason for these passages. Would it make sense that some dinosaurs used these passages as “gas tanks” for the combustible mixture used to “breathe fire?” We believe it does. Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come up with the conclusion that Leviathan is a kronosaurus. We have heard (and read) other suggestions, but the kronosaurus is the best match of any known creature to the description of Leviathan. __________________ Don't mess with me...I'm like a super BABY!!! |
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That's fascinating, I believe there is a lot out there in the past that would blow our minds today.
One thing this reminds me of is something I heard a while back and it made so much sense to me about the age of the Earth. God made Adam and Eve as adults. He made trees and most likely animals as fully grown so they were created with a built-in age. So who is to say God didn't create the entire Earth with the appearance of age so that it might appear to be millions of years old to scientist. Genesis has a lot of mind blowing verses. I wonder sometime is it possible that before the flood could civilization have been as far advanced as we are today in their own way. Think of how far we've came in the last century. It doesn't take us long to get from horse and buggy to jets and space travel so how far did civilization get before it was destroyed by the flood? __________________ |
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There are many other things that point to a young earth too. The amount of salt in the ocean points to an earth of under ten thousand years old. The distance of the moon from the earth. The depth of dust on the moon from impact craters, the strength of the earths magnetic feilds, and many many more are signs of an earth of around ten thousand years.
There is a verse in Job and Issaih too where God says to Job, I hang the earth on nothing...In Issiah it says "God looks down upon the circle of the earth." In Job it also says "do you know of the springs of the ocean. Well only in the last couple of decades have we discovered that there are springs that feed the ocean. Many many cool things like that in the Bible. Even Egyptian Chariot wheels have discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea. Fun stuff! __________________ Don't mess with me...I'm like a super BABY!!! |
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I might as well plug one of my sites here, I haven't done much to it in a while but I did post the entire Bible on it so far. http://gospelresource.us
Have you all ever heard about this? I first heard this from a preacher on oneplace.com named Dr. Vernon McGee In this verse there is one word that stands out. GE 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. The word is replenish. Now I wouldn't make too much of a big deal about it, but it is kind of interesting why did the Bible say replenish? Doesn't the word replenish hint toward something having been there previously? Funny how one word can open up alot of possibilities. I've read that all my life and it never hit me till I heard that Dr. McGee mention it. I was almost inspired to use that to create some fictional characters for my Time-Rider series, but I'm a little wary of that since I don't want to be blasphemous or anything. What do you all think? __________________ |
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Quote: I am still blown away at Noah constructing the Ark!! I wonder sometime is it possible that before the flood could civilization have been as far advanced as we are today in their own way. __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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I will post on this tomorrow I am off to see spidey III yipee!!!! __________________ Don't mess with me...I'm like a super BABY!!! |
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Quote: Saw it yesterday afternoon. Not bad!! I will post on this tomorrow I am off to see spidey III yipee!!!! __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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I have been meaning to post something on here but I couldn't find my book that has the story in it I wanted to refer to. Then I realized my friend borrowed it. I will get it back on Wednesday...though the story I wanted to refer to is there is proof that there was an atomic explosion a few thousand years ago and it points to it being man made. I will post the details of this when I get my book back.
Also Tim, I wouldn't worry about being blasphemous as I believe you would do it in respectful way. I have no problem with fictional writings, such as The Lord of the Rings etc. I won't watch a movie or read anything that is demonic or a blatant mockery of God. I know your writting would be most respectful __________________ Don't mess with me...I'm like a super BABY!!! |
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Thanks Scaper, I certainly try. I have a goal of creating sci-fi stories for my character Time-Rider from time to time that ignore the evolutionist world view and sort of say what if this or that happened but go on more from what we know of in the Bible. So far I've put Time-Rider next to a dinosaur only moments before the great flood almost drowns him. I hope to do more stuff like that.
I can't wait to hear about the atomic blast that would be weird to find out that it actually happened years ago in ancient times. I'm a big fan of the Twilight Zone, and this reminds me of a episode where a astronaut named Adam landed in a far away planet to meet the only other person on the planet who just happened to turn out to be named Eve. You guessed it, the planet turned out to be named Earth. Not that I believe we are from space mind you, but it was one of those shocking Twilight Zone moments that sticks with you. __________________ |
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| okay dharvey1031, now you're saying that god measures a day different than we do? do you just make this garbage up as you go along?? and you're still "blown away" that noah built the ark? are you mentally handicapped? i mean, you look pretty normal in your pic but... | ||
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Quote: Nope, I'm saying I don't know!! I have no idea, I was trying to come up with some kind of explanation of why there were so many millions of years (according to scientists) between the Earth's creation and the time man began walking the Earth. That's why I read the Bible, to try to understand more, and I listen to church services to learn more from those that have spent a lot of time studying these things. Plus, Tim and Bob have offered a lot of cool information here as well. now you're saying that god measures a day different than we do
Quote: I feel sorry for you for thinking that.
do you just make this garbage up as you go along?? Quote: Well, I have no clue what you're talking about here. If it makes you feel better to attack a person for having a strong faith, morals, and values then go ahead. Because at the end of the day your attacks do not hurt me. you're still "blown away" that noah built the ark? are you mentally handicapped __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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Zod I don't think that's called for. He's referring to scripture that says a thousand years is like a day to God. There are alot of creationist that think that the six days could be longer than our normal days. I personally don't think that, I just think God created the world with the appearance of age just like he created everything else already as an adult, but if we are going to have a rationale discussion you can't insult people. It's not like we are all mortal enemies or something. We can all be friends and disagree.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Quote: Are you saying other people can't believe the Bible because you don't? You know this is where the Good Book comes in handy. I'm reminded of a verse in Proverbs that says - "Grievous words stirreth up anger, but a soft answer turneth away wrath." Personally, I can't help but appreciate a good debate, but let's keep it a good debate. You might just learn what the other side is thinking if we don't turn our board into a shouting match.
you're still "blown away" that noah built the ark? are you mentally handicapped? And personally, I'm fasinated how people can believe the way you do the same way you must be curious as to why I and others here believe the Bible so dogmatically. __________________ |
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| dharvey1031 i apologize for calling you names. i guess i got kinda pissed when you told me you "felt sorry for me." sorry. let's just end this dicussion by saying our views of religion are vastly different and we will probably never agree with each other but it is important to respect others opinions and allow them to express them without ridicule. i guess i've been watching to much southpark.LOL again, i apologize. no hard feelings?? | ||
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Quote: Apology accepted. i apologize. no hard feelings?? __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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Cool, but I still want to hear about Scaper's atomic blast theory. __________________ |
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Quote: Me too! Sounds like a big hit!!I still want to hear about Scaper's atomic blast theory. __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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I won't have my book back until Wednesday...grrrr. It's really crazy actually.
Getting back to God and time...how hard is it to comprehend a being that is outside the demension of time? For a being that is outside that demension, a day would be the same as a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day. He would see beginning and end as the same. Time is nothing. Makes sense to me...even though I am stuck in the fourth demension. What if God is a ten or twelve demensional being? I heard a speaker years ago say, if there was a stick man and woman that I drew, that came to life, I could have my finger a millimeter above the paper that I drew them on, and they would have no idea I was so close to them, and that I was watching them. Though if I happened to push my finger through the paper say beside the stick lady, she would think...Wow God's a circle! Yet if I pushed three fingers through the paper say beside the stick man, he would say to his stick wife...."No God is actually three circles...then his wife would say, how could three cirlces be the same in one? It's impossible!!!" They would have no concept of depth that the three cirles were just the edge of a part of my fingers. How could we as a fourth demensional creature understand or comprehend a ten, twelve, or more dementional God? I will never forget that illistration. Sorry for the spelling mistakes tonight...very tired
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I like to ponder things like that quite a lot, and I figure God created time for us. To God since He is present everywhere at the same time it's like everything that ever happened or will happen God is observing at the same time perhaps like a painter observing a large canvas. To God, time as we perceive it probably does not exist. To see things as God sees it would be way beyond our ability to reason out much like your stick figures.
It's kind of wierd but does time really exist at all the way we see it in reality, assuming that to God everything that ever happened is happening at the same time in the eyes of God. I'm not a great philsopher so maybe I should stop. Too early for me to be trying to think outside of the box. I'm not awake yet. __________________ |
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