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I tell you what I won't hold being a liberal against you personally as long as you agree with everything I say.
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this has been a pretty funny thread. that joke about satan was pretty funny tim, i really did LOL. where to start? first, i have nothing against owning a gun or a couple of guns. but you can't have private citizens, civilians, building arsenals of automatic weapons in their basement tim. you just can't!! you need some form of gun control. i hope you don't think the answer to gun violence is to arm everybody. cause that would be pretty dumb. second, why you getting so riled up about diehard 4? it's just a movie. and i'm sure a bad one. third. i'm sorry you got the idea that i'm an angry liberal. i've told you before that i'm not a liberal. and i'm certainly not angry. i just like to stir the pot sometimes. it's funny to see you and dharvey get all riled up. speaking of dharvey, his posts remind of the little brother who stands behind his big brother(tim) and mouths off. he's quite amusing. but i do like to discuss issues with you tim. cause i know you're not a completely far right religious nut. as evidenced by your support of birth control. but that did raise a question. you once basically said that my dad was not a good catholic because i said that, while he didn't believe in gay marriage, he believes that sexual preference is something your born with and that if a gay couple moved in next door, he wouldn't not be friends with them. you said that you can't choose what to believe. that he either believes or he doesn't. well then, what about your support or belief in birth control? aren't you choosing what to believe? fourth. what the hell are you talking about? i'm reading stuff about MTV, elton john, damnable crusades, not caring about the lives of children, sitcoms, societies decay, drugged up rockers, etc. etc. you're all over the place. first, let's start with your pop culture references. my views were formed when i was a child. not by what was on TV in the 90's. i support gay rights because they're being descriminated against because of something that is not in their control. you hate them because a book says it's bad. the bible also condones slavery, and i'm sure lots of republicans would love if they brought that back. someone tell Kavi that she's one bible passage away from you guys turning on her. let's see... what are you talking about with elton john? where would you get the idea that i like him or that he's even considered the "best singer of all time." no, i like elvis as well, i like the man in black, johnny cash, i like bob marley, nirvana, snoop, eminem, NWA, the police, the clash, the doors, bruce springsteen, lots of eighties stuff. CCR is wicked. rage against the machine, nine inch nails, motley crue. i like old time country like patsy cline. but not elton john...although he does have a few good songs. but every artist has some good songs. i even like some justin timberlake songs if you can believe it. anyway, i'm rambling... also, what makes you think i'm contributing to "societies decay?" cause i smoke a little dope? cause i go to strip clubs with my buddies once in a while? the girlfriends come too you know? i don't descriminate against anyone unless they do something to deserve it. and what are you talking about when you say bringing my kids into my "damnable crusades" i don't have any kids and i'm not on a crusade. but i'm quite sure i'd make a great dad. i know right from wrong. you think i don't cause i don't believe like you. you don't think like i do but i would never be so presumptuous as to say you're not a good father. i hate when people talk about the children. it's like reverend lovejoys wife, shrieking:"the children...the children." what about them? whatever happened to: somethings are for children and somethings are for adults. you say it's all about me, but it's the other way around. it's all about you and what you think should be acceptable. your kids are not my responsibility. nor are they pro athletes, or celebrities. if you want your child to follow your ways, then it's up to you to teach him. if you think stripper bars are a sin, then teach that to your kid. it's like the teaching evolution vs. creationism debate. creationism is religious ideology. therfore it should be taught at church or in the home. not school. anyway, i'm all over the place too. to conclude, i read the issues in question. i'm not sure what your problem was? i guess you didn't get what the writer was trying to convey. at least what i thought he was trying to convey. i get the feeling, that if superman existed, you think he would be over in iraq cleaning house. i assure you he wouldn't be. i'm sure you disagree but i don't care cause i'm not gonna get into a debate about what a fictional character would do.
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i have nothing against owning a gun or a couple of guns. but you can't have private citizens, civilians, building arsenals of automatic weapons in their basement tim. you just can't!! I don't think I ever said anything about that. Sounds like your panicking, but on the other hand maybe it depends on the person collecting the firearms and what their purpose is. Anybody with any previous convictions including stealing or any kind of violence I'm sure shouldn't be owning a bunch of guns, but I'm not for legislating law abiding citizens unless they have some kind of suspicious ties to terrorist countries.
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i hope you don't think the answer to gun violence is to arm everybody People convicted of violent crimes ever in their life, no, and I think that people who own guns should be responsible. I might even go as far as making sure everyone that owns a gun is trained on safety, but in point of fact I saw on the news a while back on a report by John Stossel that in one town that made it a law that everyone carried a gun, in that town the crime rate actually dropped. I guess crooks don't like it when you can shoot back. Go figure. Don't get me wrong you have to take guns seriously, but I get nervous just around knives too. Making more and more laws isn't always the answer. Most of the time the type of place we live in depends more on the type of citizens we have than how many new restrictions the government can hand down.
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he believes that sexual preference is something your born with I don't for the life of me understand how you can believe that. Does it not make sense that if someone is in an environment that promotes that lifestyle that they are more likely to commit to it, or at least try it. Everyone in life has a choice otherwise we'd all be men most miserable if we had to give into every stray thought or vile instinct. We'd all be murderers and thieves if we all really believed we have no control based on our genes at birth. In other words behaviour is chosen and it's also learned.
Read this bit of scripture from Romans chapter 1 and see if it doesn't sound like today's world.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain F8 God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
As far as birth control, that's simple there isn't any verses that say, "Thou shalt not prevent pregnancy" there is one on not killing though. I don't think avoiding pregnancy before it starts could be considered killing.
As far as drug use goes that's like playing with dynamite. Even cigerettes can ruin your life, and the thought behind those is usually that one every once in a while won't hurt me. Yeah, until you get addicted.
As far as kids go, I don't buy this idea that political correctness goes ahead of common sense in determing what sort of home they go into during adoption cases.
The pop culture gripes is just me complaining because it seems to me that political correctness even makes entertainment crappy.
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i'm not sure what your problem was? i guess you didn't get what the writer was trying to convey On the matter of that Superman comic, I think I made it pretty clear already what I thought the writer may have been trying to push. You didn't really say what you thought he was trying to convey specifically.
I also would like to say your taste in music isn't completely terrible. I go with Elvis, Monkees, old Bon Jovi, Phil Collins, Springsteen, Nickleback, Beach Boys, Cash, Poison, etc. I hate modern country music. It's fake. Give me the real old stuff any day. I like music that's authenic. Like Bon Jovi singing country so far sounds so boring.
One last serious thought I won't get across. Start with these verses.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Jesus never said sin is ok, but He did say that He died for all those sins. I can argue with you from now on, but you know it seems to me the Bible really speaks for itself, if you bother to read it.
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dharvey, his posts remind of the little brother who stands behind his big brother(tim) and mouths off Gee zod, you're getting weak these days with your attacks on me. Also, I see my prediction on you failing to maintain your "truce" failed as I knew it would. As for the rest of your garbage, it is not worth commenting on. It really did give me a good laugh, and the biggest one was where you said you were not "an angry liberal". I'll let you in on the dirty little secret zod, I've never met a liberal yet that wasn't angry!!
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On guns: if every adult carried one, crimes such as rape and mugging would go on a serious down slope as accidental homicides and crimes of passion would reach an all time record. The key is exactly training. If you carry, you need a clean record and a permit. To retain your permit you should have a mandatory 6 hours a month practice minimum. If we followed these simple guidelines, we might have a safer society afterall. The only other alternative even conceivable is to banish all of them from any hands whatsoever. Good luck passing that by the gun lobby.
On the gay issue: Love is not a sin. Just because you find something detestible doesn't necessarily make it so. Think about your own marriage for a sec. Can you really say you had any sort of control over falling in love with that one particular woman? I doubt it. The same goes for gay people. They can't choose to not be attracted to someone of the same sex any more than you could be convinced to fall in love with a man in that way. Apparently it is something you're born with, regardless of what author, poet, scripture or song anyone can quote. Notice also in what you quote with that laundry list of human offal that the word homosexual is not included. You might feel effeminate refers to them, but maybe someone else would say that refers to all women. Neither love or sex are abuse unless forced upon another or used as tools of deception.
By the by, as an atheist, I assure you that people don't revert to animals without the gospel. We know full well the difference between right and wrong. I couldn't possibly speak for anyone else oustide of an opinion, but I assure you people are by and large good by nature. Some go astray when they don't consider the consequences of their actions, but they all still have the capacity to change and be good again. Last I checked the general rule of thumb for absolutely everyone was to 'love thy fellow man' regardless of their flaws(real or imagined) and only mindful of their actual offenses, not what you merely might opine or label as offensive.
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I'm a liberal D, and I'm probably one of the least angry people you'd ever meet. Jovial and kind even.
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Pakratmak let me say I like you, it's hard to argue with you. It's fun to argue with Zod because well you know it's just his personality. I think he likes intense arguments anyway, but I got to disagree with you here.
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Can you really say you had any sort of control over falling in love with that one particular woman? I doubt it Actually yeah. Now here's the thing. Marriage's where individuals realize that love is a choice last a lot longer if not forever in my opinion than someone that just fell in love. You see if you can fall in love then you can fall out of it. Real love is a choice. That's where people are missing it nowadays. I chose to marry my wife. I promised to always love her. If I fail to that. I lied. This junk about falling out of love is a modern day bunch of crap. Sorry I don't know a nice way of putting it. So you see that argument doesn't really fly.
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as an atheist, I assure you that people don't revert to animals without the gospel. We know full well the difference between right and wrong. I've heard it said once that atheist and evolutionist can be very moral and good people, but the problem is they don't have a good reason to be. If we are all animals or made by a cosmic accident why should we care about others especially if all the hope we have is in this short life. If I thought that, I can't say that I'd care about anybody else but myself.
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Last I checked the general rule of thumb for absolutely everyone was to 'love thy fellow man' regardless of their flaws(real or imagined) and only mindful of their actual offenses, not what you merely might opine or label as offensive.
It's like I said Jesus never said sin was ok, but just that He died for them all. I think that shows a lot of love for everybody. It just doesn't give them an excuse to do what they want.
But hey I think we almost agree on guns. I don't trust the ability of a lot of people nowadays to carry guns, but a big part of that stems from my lack of trust in modern day human nature. Truth is folks have a right to carry guns. It's also true that we as a society need to make sure everyone that does is responsible and has some common sense about them. Crooks like I've said before past or present gave up their right to own a gun. If they need protection they need to get a dog.
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Call me a hopeless romantic but I believe true love never dies, even if you stop liking the person. I also believe that marriage is a choice but love is not. Trying not to love someone that you do is like trying to vote your way out of your family, at least to me. Put aside court rulings where kids divorce their parents-very rare and even rarer that a judge allows it.
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I've heard it said once that atheist and evolutionist can be very moral and good people, but the problem is they don't have a good reason to be.
Here's a few off the top of my head.
The golden rule we both follow: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. In plainer language-What goes around comes around.
The Napoleon Hill golden rule:What you think of others is how they think of you.
The law of attraction: Whatever the mind concentrates on is what is drawn to it. A mind full of hatred attracts more hatred. A person who focuses on lonliness stays lonely. The one who focuses on scarcity remains poor but the one who focuses on abundance receives.
I hope you're sitting down for this one: a few enlightened 'godless heathens' such as myself actually believe in the message Jesus was spreading, we just read a few points differently. Take for example his saying "I die for your sins". When I read that I don't think he's talking to the reader. To me he's basically telling Judas "I know it was you". Pardon the Godfather II reference. The only real division we honestly have is the establishment of religion around his teachings.
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If we are all animals or made by a cosmic accident why should we care about others especially if all the hope we have is in this short life.
In the sense that we're living, thinking beings we are all animals. Anyone that puts humans, dogs, rats, and insects under the same banner or at the same level however, is a complete idiot, a generalist or really must loathe themselves and by extension the rest of us. I would hope to never be associated with that lot.
We care about others because it is the right and proper thing to do, especially when, as I've already said, people are good by nature and design. When you see someone near you slip and fall, don't you automatically try to catch them? That's no accident.
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I'm a liberal D  Wow, that is most definately a shock to me pak!! Most liberals I've met are always angry about something or other. Sure is a surprise to hear.
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By the by, as an atheist, I assure you that people don't revert to animals without the gospel. We know full well the difference between right and wrong. Sorry to hear that you are an atheist pak, but again God gave us the ability to choose - thus free will - whether or not to believe in him. Still, you hear stories of even the most devout atheists exclaiming, "God help me." in severely distraught/stressful situations. Personally, I cannot phathom how the earth and everything else just came about by some random "bang". Again, no offense and I admire your civility. It is most refreshing.
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On the gay issue: Love is not a sin. Just because you find something detestible doesn't necessarily make it so. Think about your own marriage for a sec. Can you really say you had any sort of control over falling in love with that one particular woman? I doubt it. The same goes for gay people. They can't choose to not be attracted to someone of the same sex any more than you could be convinced to fall in love with a man in that way. Apparently it is something you're born with, regardless of what author, poet, scripture or song anyone can quote. Again, the U.S. was founded on christian principles. While I understand that you would rule out what the Bible says as you are an atheist, the fact remains that the christian faith (and the Bible) teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Heck, even animals have enough sense to know that it takes a male and a female to propagate their species. Would you argue then that human beings are more inept than wild animals? I submit that homosexuality is a form of mental disease, much as sociopaths and homicidal criminals suffer from imbalances. Yet, rather than treating this disease, strongly left leaning politicians try to push them as being "victims" and they tell us that we have to accept their "way of life" being thrown upon us. No, I do not agree with this, or the concept that a person is "born that way". There's too much out there that contradicts that arguement.
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The only real division we honestly have is the establishment of religion around his teachings. So, I suppose all the messages that were given about the things Jesus would come and do all through the Bible up to that point were just happenstance? No, I've been through too many events in my life, events where I should have been dead, and I felt that the Lord with me.
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We care about others because it is the right and proper thing to do, especially when, as I've already said, people are good by nature and design. When you see someone near you slip and fall, don't you automatically try to catch them? That's no accident. Interesting point isn't that you were taught such manners as to help someone when you see them slip and fall? Human beings, by their very nature, are focused solely on self preservation. Indeed, the very concept of right and wrong is taught to us as children.
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On guns: if every adult carried one, crimes such as rape and mugging would go on a serious down slope as accidental homicides and crimes of passion would reach an all time record. Agreed, someone would be much less likely to attack someone if there was a chance that the person they were going to attack were carrying a gun. To quote Charlton Heston, "From My Cold Dead Hands!"
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I also believe that marriage is a choice but love is not You are speaking more of an emotion than love itself. Love creates emotion, but the emotion doesn't create love. Love is a choice. Even brothers and sisters can choose to hate one another.
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Take for example his saying "I die for your sins". When I read that I don't think he's talking to the reader. To me he's basically telling Judas "I know it was you". What do you do with other things Jesus said like,
"I am the way the truth and the light,
No one cometh to the Father but by me."
"Arise take up thy bed and walk" He said to the sick and they got up.
"the Son of Man have power on Earth to forgive sins"
John said, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him should not perish."
These were just a few quick examples, but basically what I'm saying is that if you read the New Testament you can only conclude that Jesus was God. Who else could pull off miracles, and rise from the dead? In my way of thinking it doesn't make sense to say I believe what Jesus says in the Bible only when it comes to ways of living, but not that religious stuff. Because if Jesus wasn't who He said He was, then He was crazy, and I wouldn't believe anything He had to say. After all He claimed to be God.
I want to be clear about something. I don't generally hate gay people. I hate gay agendas. I hate gay attitudes meaning the feminizing of men. Men should act like men, but if some dude I think is gay comes walking down the path at the park I'm more than likely going to say something like, "Howdy, what's you up Joe" not "burn in the fire of hades wicked sinner". Just so we are clear on that. I hate what this agenda and this way of life does to people, and I hate putting celebrities on a totem pole for praise that proudly wave a gay flag. That stuff makes me sick, but I don't hate individuals if I can help it. I just get mad at what I see as being wrong, and just plain illogical.
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people are good by nature and design So you do admit we were designed then?
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I submit that homosexuality is a form of mental disease, much as sociopaths and homicidal criminals suffer from imbalances. I think anybody could choose that life style. Just like anybody can choose to steal, to kill, to lie, or any other sin. I don't want to to just justify it, or make light of it, but I think we all have to come to the realization that we are all one thought, one action a way from going a direction we never thought possible. Just like the old saying goes if not for the grace of God there go I. That's why every person in the world needs Jesus. We all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
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No, I do not agree with this, or the concept that a person is "born that way". There's too much out there that contradicts that arguement.
I agree with you.
I'm writing a book here, I hope you all have time to read all this, but I just want to say a couple more things based on my own observations and life.
People are born short, does that mean they can't play basketball?
People are born with addictive personalities does that mean they can't choose to quit smoking cigerettes? God helped me quit.
Some people are born so skinny a gust a wind could blow them away. Does that mean they can't choose to join a gym and get some muscles?
Some folks are told they'll never make it in life that they are born to be losers. Does that mean they can't work hard until they change their destiny?
Yes we are born with certain traits. Some are smarter than others. Some are tougher. Some are taller, but some look at the American spirit that created this nation and realize that at least in America you can choose to be whatever you want. We aren't victims. We are not destined by birth to live out a life we don't want. We can refuse to go with what we are told is our destiny, and we can boldly hope and dream and push for something better. If I didn't believe that I would have never made it out of grade school. I'd also probably be sleeping on a park bench right now if it not for the grace of God.
It just burns me up to no end. I mean you just can't imagine the anger I feel when somebody tells some kid that it's ok you are just born that way. This well meaning crap is not what kids need. Kids need to know they can be whatever they want by the grace of God and hard work. They don't owe the politically correct gods anything. They owe themselves to be what is in their hearts not what they are told is in their genetic make up. And we owe them the guidance to what choses are the best ones in life not the ones that serve a political agenda that's only existed over the last 20 years if that.
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It just burns me up to no end. I mean you just can't imagine the anger I feel when somebody tells some kid that it's ok you are just born that way. This well meaning crap is not what kids need. Kids need to know they can be whatever they want by the grace of God and hard work. They don't owe the politically correct gods anything. They owe themselves to be what is in their hearts not what they are told is in their genetic make up. And we owe them the guidance to what choses are the best ones in life not the ones that serve a political agenda that's only existed over the last 20 years if that. Well said Tim!!
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I think anybody could choose that life style. Just like anybody can choose to steal, to kill, to lie, or any other sin. I don't want to to just justify it, or make light of it, but I think we all have to come to the realization that we are all one thought, one action a way from going a direction we never thought possible. Just like the old saying goes if not for the grace of God there go I. That's why every person in the world needs Jesus. We all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Agreed, the chemical imbalance thing is just one of the reasonings I've read about in the past. And again, there are many explainations that debunk the "they're born that way" philosophy. Indeed, none of us are perfect and all of us have fallen short of the grace of God, thus he sent his only begotten son so that who so believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life (paraphrased John 3:16).
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Politics has taken over in religion, science, and lifestyles these days. Somebody has got to voice an opposing view point. I guess it's up to us rebels from the south.
I heard on a local talk show the other day that the term political correctness is actually a throw back to communist Russia. Anything that was deemed politically offensive to the government was deemed politically incorrect and thus could get you in a lot of trouble. Of course they might go to jail. We haven't gotten that far yet, thank God.
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I guess it's up to us rebels from the south. Long live the revolution!!
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Let me be completely clear. I have nothing to sell and I don't try to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I certainly mean no offense and would never purposely denegrate what someone else believes as that is the same respect I wish to be treated with. Having said that, it appears I have much to respond to. Grab a refreshment and please pardon if this winds up lengthy.
1) You've probably just met the wrong group of liberals D. Any group can have a few members taken out for examination and wind up making the whole bunch look bad. One bad apple.... Imagine if everyone judged all Catholics based solely on the priests that make scandalous headlines.
2)There are actual scientific 'theories' as to how the universe came about. If any of this could only be proven. Apparently us atheists also work on a certain level of faith, for better or worse. I'm still waiting for proof from either side. Another title I'll proudly sport here is Objectivist (feel free to look that one up)
3)The US was created by people who no longer tolerated their government. Slave-owners who wanted to be free no less. They merely brought their beliefs along with them. If this country were actually founded as a theocracy then we would never have heard of seperation of church and state.
4)I really don't need pity or sympathy for what I believe. I'm not sorry and you don't have to be either D. If there be consequences, I'll deal with them. In turn, I see no consequence to thinking for myself.
5)I am sorry to be the one to break this to you however. Most people don't make friends, enter relationships, or simply have sex to propogate the species. They do these things because it makes them happy.
6)We are solely focused on self preservation? So I guess if we were walking together on an icy walk and I started to slip, reaching out to you for balance, you would move out of the way so I didn't land on you? That's a horrible way to live by any standard. That kind of thing would actually make us animals, so it's a good thing we're not actually like that. You see a stranger having trouble carrying bags, I'm almost certain you'd offer a hand D. If a lady is being mugged, people aren't all brave enough to jump in and defend her, but they'll certainly at the very least phone the police for her. There are thousands of possible scenarios that happen every day, where people are moved to action to help others. Fortunately for the entire race it's a slim horrible few that look on and do nothing, just to protect themselves. Of course the amount varies from situation to situation, each particular case being it's own debate and this is already overlong to bear going into them.
7)I said by design as in our genetic make-up and how we instinctivly act, not 'by designer'.
#8 I double-checked with a few gay people. They absolutely do not care about feminizing us straight people as they're too busy picking their own community apart. If you want someone with an agenda about how you live your life, try your government, your friends, your family, your neighbors, co-workers, peers, advertising execs and the media in general. The absolute worst thing that would happen if you crossed paths with some random gay guy would probably be him looking you over to judge your appearance and/or figure if you were in the closet-harmless activities.
9)If you want my take on what a quote from anything means, don't take it out of context to stand on it's own. Give me the whole passage and I'll be glad to throw my two cents down on it.
10)It would seem that at least once every three months or so I'm hearing that some individual or another has uncovered new evidence that Jesus didn't
really rise from the dead. New rooms in new tombs with new or obviously missing relics. Not that I support these media exposure hungry folks, but they just keep popping up. As for my end, not believing in miracles goes hand in hand with not prescribing to a religion. I hope to not sound harsh here, but I make it a policy not to vote on reality.
11) We have definitely gotten that far. Think back to the sensational news story from last year about the woman who attended one of Bush's speeches wearing that oh so offensive t-shirt that simply stated the death toll of the war up to that point. She simply stood there wearing the shirt, not making a fuss or commotion. When the shirt was spotted, the secret service jumped to it, basically tackling the woman, covering her up, and detaining her for the rest of the night in a jailor fashion. Apparently the truth doesn't set everyone free.
12) I could not agree more about political correctness sucking the spirit out of this country. If someone has some shortcoming or disability, and people actually sit there pandering and pitying them for it, that the individual just soaks up the attention and does nothing to overcome, adapt or improve-we all lose. More welfare recipients. More criminals with excuses. More layabouts, whiners, leeches and talk show fodder. That right there is a disease we really need a good old fashioned war on....Sorry, that was becoming some sort of Dennis Miller rant. Back to the point at hand. There are actually quite a few people who 'choose' to be gay, mainly because they can't function in relationships with someone of the opposite sex. They take what they think is the easy way out-this usually fades when those fools find out the gay gamefield is actually harder than the straight one. Then you have your cases of pent up frustration and simple curiosity- some end after an experiment or two and some experiments wind up horribly with rape, murder or worse. As for the rest? They like people of the same sex as them and it's not brain damage. Get over it already. They're not harming you, me or themselves. Live and let live.
I do honestly hope I haven't offended anyone with this too badly and can't wait for your responses.
By the way, my name is Scott. Seems kind of silly to be using a handle with you both using real names. BBL
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Scott,
Once more I appreciate your candid thoughts. I do enjoy a good debate, and indeed the converse of ideas is an interesting experience.
I too, have learned that more often than not, people are set in their ways of thinking and (like most of us) are reluctant to change. That being said, I would like to simply comment on a few things.
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If this country were actually founded as a theocracy then we would never have heard of seperation of church and state. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing. What the founding fathers said is that there shall be no government mandated religion.
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6)We are solely focused on self preservation? So I guess if we were walking together on an icy walk and I started to slip, reaching out to you for balance, you would move out of the way so I didn't land on you? That's a horrible way to live by any standard. That kind of thing would actually make us animals, so it's a good thing we're not actually like that. You see a stranger having trouble carrying bags, I'm almost certain you'd offer a hand D. If a lady is being mugged, people aren't all brave enough to jump in and defend her, but they'll certainly at the very least phone the police for her. There are thousands of possible scenarios that happen every day, where people are moved to action to help others. Fortunately for the entire race it's a slim horrible few that look on and do nothing, just to protect themselves. Of course the amount varies from situation to situation, each particular case being it's own debate and this is already overlong to bear going into them. I think you missed my point, the very concept of right and wrong had to be taught to us by someone at somepoint. To the best of my knowledge, we are not born with the knowledge of right and wrong, thus our learning what is good and bad.
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10)It would seem that at least once every three months or so I'm hearing that some individual or another has uncovered new evidence that Jesus didn't
really rise from the dead. New rooms in new tombs with new or obviously missing relics. Not that I support these media exposure hungry folks, but they just keep popping up. As for my end, not believing in miracles goes hand in hand with not prescribing to a religion. I hope to not sound harsh here, but I make it a policy not to vote on reality. Speaking what you believe is not harsh. Speaking for myself, I have witnessed several miracles in my short lifetime, and have heard several accounts of what can only be described as miracles. So, as for me, I believe and discount the media people trying to discredit religion. Especially since the media today does so seem to love to attack people of faith.
Again Scott, I appreciate your thoughts and you offering a civil debate of ideas.
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If this country were actually founded as a theocracy then we would never have heard of seperation of church and state.
Well on that subject here's what we have. The Constitution says
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I personally take from reading this that our Founding Fathers would have wanted to error on the side of freedom of speech than to worry about the possibility that someone might infer we our putting one religion above another. Thus the or prohibiting the free exercise thereof line and the or abridging the freedom of speech line. Speech means presenting ideas, and they never said religious ideas couldn't be presented in public government owned facilities. The key wording here being, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion Congress shall make no law, no law, I repeat this to hopefully make a point, no law respecting an establishment of religion. To me that says the government isn't going to make a law stating Baptist churches are to be attended every week, or whatever. No law for doesn't mean automatically mean a law against. It means neutral. That means to me if a judge wants to put up 10 commandments. It's ok. Why? Because we can't make a law one way or the other prohibiting or enforcing that they go up. Neither for nor against. It's so simple. Not trying to be preachy to you Scott, just trying to make a legal point in general. I have a hard time understanding why this is so hard for the ACLU.
Whether or not it offends anybody is a mute point legally.
The term seperation of church and state came from a non-offical letter from Thomas Jefferson to a clergy trying to encourage the clergy that the government would not in any way interfere with his church or relgion in general. The ACLU has been helping to make laws on the misinterpretation of a letter for crying out loud.
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I double-checked with a few gay people. They absolutely do not care about feminizing us straight people I'm sure there are a lot of gay people that will say that, but there is still an undeniable agenda going on, and somebody is pushing it otherwise there wouldn't be moves for gay adoption, gay reading material in California schools in their textbooks, gay marriage, or any of this other stuff. In Canada, England, and other places and I can't remember what Scaper from Canada said about this, but I know there has been movements to create laws that would deny clergy's ability to publicly denounce the gay lifestyle. They want to call it hate speech and lock them up for nothing more than reading what the Bible says about it. We are moving backwards losing our freedom instead of gaining freedom.
About Bush I support some things he does, and hate other things he does so it's not worth it to me to try and protest your argument for him. I do appreciate his pro-life stance and his efforst for the security of the nation, but on the other hand his treatment of the two border security agents that are rotting in jail for doing their job is apalling. His whole immigration stance is rediculous especially for someone that takes such a hard line on security. So hate him or love him you can find reasons for both. Thank God we don't worship Presidents or we'd all be in trouble.
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They're not harming you, me or themselves. Live and let live.
I refer back to my previous statements. It's not a matter of letting them live the way they want. It's a matter of my freedom to say that's wrong, and I don't agree with it, or my freedom to not have my kid told it's ok at school or on the TV 24 hours a day. Sure I could turn off the TV, and I could home school, but I'd much rather the media, and the liberals in government give me a break so I can live the way I want to live. Live and let me live so to speak without screwing with my morals. Stop trying to push this lifestyle in my face. I'd be so happy to forget it exists believe me, but the stupid TV keeps putting it in our faces ruining a lot of good shows I might ordinarily watch. All I'm asking for is neutrality.
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really rise from the dead. Well I wouldn't put my stock in folks denying the Lord Jesus rose from the dead today. None of them were around back then, and all the early Christian witnesses that were seem to have thought differently thus the testimonies from the Word of God.
I want to ask you to think about something creation wise. Just think about what goes into sight. If we were dependant on evolution for our eyes, I think we'd all be blind. Imagine if everyone in the world had no eyes. How would we even know what vision was? Yet some random chance was to have supposedly given us this remarkable ability to perceive images from light going through our eyes like some digital camera and registering in our minds. It's almost supernatural if you think about it long enough, and yet almost all creatures on earth have eyes to see with. Our we supposed to believe all creatures had some subconscious reaction to light and began to form these very complicated additions to our anatomy when I doubt we could have even conceived of such a thing by our own devices? Evolution is like something out of a comic book. Everything points to a designer. You want proof? Look around.
The Bible says, "Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you." If a person really wants to know about whether God exists or not. All they got to do is seek Him.
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I had started to reply to all of this and thought better of it. You're not going to like my responses and we are going to wind up arguing which is not what I come here for. You guys have your beliefs, I have mine. Let's leave it there and remain friendly Smallville fans.
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it's a love in. i love you all. even you dharvey. not sexually though. this has been a funny thread. is that what it's called? anyway, we never had a truce dharvey. i offered the olive branch and you never took it, so no truce. besides, you kept chirping in with comments like:"way to go tim" etc. etc. seems like you might have been trying to egg me on. but i forgive you. i see you're from north carolina. that explains everything. anyway, liberals are probably angry cause they see the state your country is in. your leaders are pathetic and it pisses them off. see, i like shows like south park, daily show, colbert report, real time with bill maher, family guy, etc. etc. cause they really are smart shows. i'm sure to you religious republicans they're just potty humor or liberally biased, but they really are intelligently written shows. they offer very smart insight and no holds barred criticisms of society. but in a funny way. catholics just don't really seem to have a sense of humor. your sense of humor is carrot top, jeff foxworthy and jay leno. mine is richard pryor, chris rock and bill maher. but what i really like about them, is they're bipartisan. they make fun of everybody. democrats and republicans. republicans more so, but that's because there is so much more to make fun of. but whether it's bush, cheney or rove or whether it's clinton, obama or gore, they will make fun of them and expose there lies and hypocrisy. you know why, cause they (politicians) are full of shit. that's why i've repeatedly said that i'm neither liberal or conservative. i've got some stuff i'm liberal about and stuff i'm conservative about. i was watching glenn beck the other night. he says he votes mostly republican. but i like him. he talks about common sense things. that's what's missing in american politics...common sense. for example, bush just pardoned scooter libby. the democrats are pissed. the republicans point out:"what about clinton pardoning those guys on his way out of office?" so what?? it was wrong when clinton did it and it's wrong now that bush is doing it. see, dharvey, you would support bush just because he's republican even if what he was doing is stupid. and dems would support clinton even if what he was doing was stupid. i support neither. but clinton is the lesser of two evils. so i would probably vote for him. anyway, i hope that helps you understand my view points. and tim and dharvey, please don't start trying to say that i get my opinions from cartoons and news parody shows, cause i don't. i watch those shows cause they think like i do. not the other way around. if i shared your beliefs, i would probably watch jimmy swaggert and peter popoff and 7th heaven and full house. nobody should watch bill o'reilly. there is stupid and then there's bill o'reilly. guys like him and anne coulter encourage the democrats and republicans to fight. they drive a wedge in between the two parties. considering the state of the world, they (dems and reps) should be trying to get along and work together. this in- fighting is not good for anyone. especially the soldiers stationed in iraq and also the iraqi civilians. although, i will say, anne coulter is funny sometimes. dumb, but funny. but maybe she's funny cause she's so dumb? anyway, pakratmak is right. we should leave it and be friendly. but i also know that you guys will not let what i wrote go unanswered. just know, it's just in good fun. dharvey, i'm sure you hate me but you're not so bad. i have fun argueing with you and pissing you off, but you can't be all bad. you like superman after all. you just take your bible a little too literally. loosen up. or god will smite you. LOL but you could always join me and the dark side. i would love to take you out for a night of partying with me. you would see all the fun your missing. and you could take me to a church picnic or whatever it is you do for fun. how about it? we could go to a ted haggart sermon. i hear he finished an intense 3 week program and has been cured of his homosexualness. he'll be back on his knees... he just won't be praying.
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p.s. i also like trailer park boys. scaper, if your reading this, you'll know what i'm talking about. if you're an american, you probably only know the movie, which wasn't that good. you gotta see the TV show.
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you kept chirping in with comments like:"way to go tim" What's wrong with that? I agree with me too.
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hey see the state your country is in. your leaders are pathetic If our country has faults it's in only listening to liberal ideaology too much. Without America the Nazis would have taken over the world, and you my friend wouldn't have the freedom to rant about anything. America may have her faults, but I wouldn't live anywhere else. America is more than politics she's the people that live here. She's baseball, mom's apple pie, and the Statue of Liberty saying come bring me your tired, your poor, come make a living where taxes aren't half of your income, only do it legally. She's made up of churches filled up on Sunday morning of people who pray for her every week, and they do it not because it's the law but because they want to. So don't tread on us it will just make us love America even more.
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catholics just don't really seem to have a sense of humor Ok I don't have anything against catholics no more than I have anything against golfers, but why do you keep bringing up catholics. I'm a baptist, and I'm just guessing, but I bet that Dh is probably a protestant as well. You been smoking that wacky weed again?
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i've got some stuff i'm liberal about and stuff i'm conservative about Do tell.
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bush just pardoned scooter libby
Well let's be specific on this. I'm not just sticking up for bush because I've blasted him for the border patrol agents thing already, but did the man actually do anything that deserved going to prison for? I want to know exactly what he did. The way I understand it he withheld information of a eleged crime that was never proven. If there was not a crime proven then how did he withhold information? If you know more on this than I do then please let me know, but don't just assume something because Hillary gets all worked up about it. Plus Clinton pardoned people for votes and more than likely money. Slightly more shady than pardoning someone who is loyal to your office and works hard for you and may just be a political fall guy. Plus it's one guy vs over a hundred questionable pardons. That's like the difference between someone stealing a dollar or a hundred dollars. Which hurts your pocketbook more?
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but clinton is the lesser of two evils
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if i shared your beliefs, i would probably watch jimmy swaggert and peter popoff and 7th heaven and full house I have never ever watched Jimmy Swaggert, peter who?, maybe maybe 10 minutes of 7th heaven, and I used to watch full house because there was nothing else on. Buddy back in the day the Dukes of Hazzard and the A-team were my kind of shows. 24, Heroes, is pretty good nowadays, and of course Smallville. You did realize I have almost every Superman show in existance on DVD and will have eventually right. What? You thought I had a collection of Jimmy Swaggert DVDs? Why do you guys always pick the fakes to point to anyway. I never hear anything about the years of great testimony of the Billy Grahams in the world from you.
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nobody should watch bill o'reilly. there is stupid and then there's bill o'reilly. guys like him and anne coulter encourage the democrats and republicans to fight. they drive a wedge in between the two parties First question, and you are supposed to be an angel? So you never start political fights? I might have to agree with you that they start fights, but somebody has to sound the alarms and bring up what's going on out there in the world, and I'm not certain it's good for America for all politicians to get along if what they are doing is wrong. We have to have somebody stirring up the pot sometimes or somebody is going to throw a old shoe in there and we'd never know it. Really loud people let us know when something unconstitutional is about to happen. It takes all kinds to make up a good working democracy, and it takes voices outside of washington for we the people to know what's going on. I respect O'reilly. I have seen him act over emotional with that fake fight he had with Geraldo, but he's ok, but you know I only catch a few minutes here and there of his show.
Now as far your kind of loudness, it would be better if you backed it with more research other than South Park or whatever it is.
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this in- fighting is not good for anyone. especially the soldiers stationed in iraq and also the iraqi civilians I will agree that the dems need to stop fighting over Iraq until they can at least come up with a better plan. Cutting off funding threats and constantly grandstanding isn't a good encouragement to our troops.
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you just take your bible a little too literally Well for your sake the part about hell better be made up. Not because you are a bad guy. Well you are, but that's besides the point but because the Bible is for real, there is a heaven and a hell, and there is only one way to get to heaven. Maybe you don't believe me, and that's fine, but I guess you must have a sort of gambling type of personality. Me, I don't like to take chances. Besides the Good Lord has been pretty good to me so I can't complain too much. What do you do when you have issues in your life? Pray to the god of chance, or hope the part about God being good and merciful is the one thing right in the Bible?
Look guys I really do appreciate the opportunity to share my beliefs as long as the other person is actually at least considering what I am saying, or you know, paying attention at least. I don't want to feel like I'm wasting my time writing all this stuff. I'm just saying I hope at the very least I may have given you a broader understanding of conservative and old fashioned Christian ideas than what you get from those cartoon shows you watch.
So Scott, if you don't want to debate that's fine with me. I can talk about Smallville and other TV shows just as well. Zod, I know it's fun to rile folks up, but still maybe you should be a little more tact otherwise you are going to reap what you sow. Like the Good Book says
"Grievous words stirreth up anger, but a soft answer turned away wrath."
You make a smart alec comment, you get one back. It goes on forever.
Like Cooter Davenport used to say on the Dukes of Hazzard when he signed off of the cb. I may be crazy, but I ain't dumb. 10-4-good buddy over and out.
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you kept chirping in with comments like:"way to go tim" etc. etc. Well, Tim made intelligent comments that I agreed with so I made the affirming remark.
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see, dharvey, you would support bush just because he's republican even if what he was doing is stupid. Actually, Scooter Libby never did anything illegal in the first place.
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nobody should watch bill o'reilly I have great respect for Bill O'Rilley. I do not agree with everything he says, but he treats everyone the same and does a great job of not letting people get away with not answering questions.
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i'm sure you hate me but you're not so bad. i have fun argueing with you and pissing you off, but you can't be all bad. you like superman after all. First of all, you never got me mad, if anything it has been hilarious to read the utter ignorance you seems to enjoy spouting.
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I bet that Dh is probably a protestant as well Indeed I am, I grew up going to a Presbyterian church.
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I had started to reply to all of this and thought better of it. You're not going to like my responses and we are going to wind up arguing which is not what I come here for. You guys have your beliefs, I have mine. Let's leave it there and remain friendly Smallville fans. Fair enough Scott, once again I have done my best (as you seem to have as well) to keep this a good-hearted debate - which I think is a healthy thing.
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Why does Zod think we are catholics?  Was there somebody else arguing on here I didn't know about? No offense to catholics of course meant.
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Why does Zod think we are catholics? Beats me.
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boy, everything with you guys is so black and white. everything with you is "good vs. evil" or "republicans vs. democrats" or "liberal vs. conservative." normal, intelligent people aren't like that. where to start?? how about scooter libby. dharvey, how can you say he's innocent...he was indicted and found guilty. i guess you don't believe in the legal system either. and i would go as far as to say that bush letting him off is even worse than clinton letting his people go. the people clinton released may have been corrupt, but they were not a threat to the country. scooter and his pals outing an undercover C.I.A. agent is treason. she's out there, investigating, undercover, and the leaders of the country she's trying to protect betray her like that? they put her life and the lives of her contacts in danger. simply to get back at her husband because he refused to support their lie about WMDs. scooter should be hanging from the end of a noose. and so should rove and probably cheney too. second, bill o'reilly. all he does is yell at the people that disagree with him to shut up. he doesn't even focus on the issues. but your too ignorant to realize it dharvey. as far as what religion you and tim are...baptists, catholic or muslim, they're all the same. a religious zealot is a religious zealot. same shit, different pile. in fact, aren't baptists even more hardcore than catholics? don't you guys think dancing is a sin?? and what's all this garbage about political correctness? i'm the least PC guy you'll meet. i support gay rights for the same reason i support civil rights, cause descrimination against a group of people is not acceptable. there's no difference between you guys and how you feel about gays and how the KKK feels about blacks. and tim, gays don't choose. you didn't choose to like girls. saying that you chose to marry your wife is not the same thing as being sexually attracted to her. if you didn't choose her, you would have chose some other girl. sure, a homo can choose not to sleep with other men, i can choose not to sleep with women, and tim could chose not to sleep with his wife but it doesn't mean that we won't be attracted to them. and it doesn't mean that i or someone else wouldn't be miserable having to go thru our lives living a lie like that. you guys just don't like gays cause then the whole "created in gods image" is proven to be a sham. i mean, how could god make a mistake? he doesn't. so they must be choosing who they are attracted to. it's not god, it's them. they're the problem. how 17th century. hey fellas, join the rest of us in the 21st century. i just thought of something, maybe gods bi?? and tim, i like you, you seem like a nice enough guy, but quoting scripture doesn't help your case. what's written in the bible doesn't mean a thing. maybe i should start quoting mother goose stories to support my arguments. the moment you start to believe your right and everybody else is wrong is when you get into trouble. and "baptists" along with catholics and muslims and every othe religion seem to think they're right about everything. and everyone else is a sinner. i know i don't show what you would consider the proper amount of respect to religions. i don't because that would be validating them. sure there are good aspects to religion. i'm sure if you went over hitlers plan for germany you would find some good points but that doesn't make it right. by the way, we wouldn't be overrun with nazis if the states hadn't entered WWII. the americans just love to pat themselves on the back. read a history book. you guys think we'd be wearing burkas if kerry had been elected prez back in 2000. but i think people are slowly starting to realize that religion is a crutch. but i think you're all good people at heart. you just misguided. and it's not your fault. they try to pump that religious garbage into your brain from the time your a little baby. and i'm sure guys like dharvey were locked in closets when they questioned it. here's a quote from bill maher. "i used to believe in religion. but then something happened to me that changed me forever. i graduated sixth grade."
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boy, everything with you guys is so black and white. "Not black and white, right and wrong." - Jack Ryan from Clear and Present Danger.
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the people clinton released may have been corrupt this phrase, in of itself, negates the rest of what you say.
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outing an undercover C.I.A. agent is treason. she's out there, investigating, undercover, and the leaders of the country she's trying to protect betray her like that? Thanks for making my point, Valerie Plame was NOT an undercover agent, period.
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lie about WMDs Well, 200,000 tons of mustard gas found hidden around different parts of Iraq by Saddam has enough killing power to fit my description of a weapon of mass destruction.
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all he does is yell at the people that disagree with him to shut up. he doesn't even focus on the issues. but your too ignorant to realize it dharvey Obviously you do not watch the program, he engages his guests in discussions and they tend to fly off the handle if they do not see things as Bill does. More often than not they get angry when he calls them on not answering questions.
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gays don't choose. you didn't choose to like girls. saying that you chose to marry your wife is not the same thing as being sexually attracted to her. as you have been told before zod, you're wrong.
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hey fellas, join the rest of us in the 21st century. i just thought of something, maybe gods bi?? Wow, you're even more off your rocker than I thought. Try reading the Bible sometime!!
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and "baptists" along with catholics and muslims and every othe religion seem to think they're right about everything. and everyone else is a sinner. Again, you're off. Protestant religion does not say Christians are not sinners and everyone else is. Christians acknowledge that they ARE sinners, and accept Jesus Christ (who was sent by God to die on the cross/rise again after three days so those that believe in him are forgiven their sins) are able to be forgiven of their sins. I have heard this statement before that "oh, well since you're a christian you sin all you want and don't care." Wrong, we all sin, this is a fact. However, when one becomes a christian they take solice in the fact that they are forgiven of their sins. Also, when you become a christian your life changes, and you try to follow Jesus' teachings. Again, this does not mean that we (Christians) do not sin, rather we do the best we can not to, and acknowledge it when we have and pray for figiveness.
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we wouldn't be overrun with nazis if the states hadn't entered WWII Gee, now you can predict the future, and know the answers to the "what if" questions in the world? Seesh, thanks again for illustrating my point.
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i'm sure guys like dharvey were locked in closets when they questioned it. Wrong again buddy, you are encouraged to ask questions. Indeed, in confirmation class we spent a majority of the time examining questions we all had about faith/God/The Bible. The great thing is that we had teachers that took the time to answer our questions, and showed us in the Bible where the answers were found so that we knew what they were saying was true. We were never punished for asking questions as you seem to think.
__________________The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10)
"I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14)
"I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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how about scooter libby The point I still can find no answer even on the news is, what did Scooter lie about. That's what he was basically convicted for. So what did he say? I was listening to Hard Ball on MSNBC and the loudmouth news guy raved on about comparing Clinton to Scooter, and the news guy when asked what did Scooter lie about said basically, well you the senator, he was interviewing, ought to know. Anybody that's been following this should know after all. I felt like raising my hand and saying excuse me I'm watching it right now on the news to find out you moronic news dude. Tell me for crying out loud. So Zod I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Just tell me what he lied about, and give me a major news resource if possible to back up. Please. It's funny there's a lot of comparison to Clinton's purgery, but I know what he lied about.
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your too ignorant to realize it dharvey You see that just keeps the cycle of anger going. You aren't very good at being a loving hippy are you? Where is your flower power dude. I make a better hippy than you. What would the Monkees say?
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you and tim are...baptists, catholic or muslim, they're all the same You can't say that unless you've actually read the Bible. Grab you a Bible and read it through, and then tell me all religions are the same. This reminds me of the kind of stupid logic kids have in school making snap judgments based on nothing. Do you have some peers that feel that way. Is that what's wrong with you? It doesn't seem like you are actually thinking on your own to say stuff like that. Don't tell me what you observed from the news. Read the Bible or don't condemn it. You read it and you can decide for yourself what religion is right or not. I know Muslims use something else, but I'm not even going to go there right now. You don't want to find out the truth. It's much more secure in your little world of denial. Be a man and take a chance. Read it. If your so smart you surely don't have anything to worry about, right? You won't turn into a robot or anything.
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i support gay rights for the same reason i support civil rights, cause descrimination against a group of people is not acceptable. Define descrimination. Define a protected group of people as according to the Constitution. How many groups can we add? This is the basic liberal trick to skirt details, and like they always say the devil is in the details. Why don't you take one subject at a time and give the details. Prove your point, and then take on the next subject. Just to get a head start. Let me ask you this. Can a gay man vote? Can a gay man get a job? Buy a house? A car? Walk around the park? Support a political candidate? March in a protest? I think the answer to all these questions is yes. What rights does a gay man need that aren't already given to all citizens? None. The agenda that we are against is the creation of new rights not afforded to everybody else. Adoption is not a constitutionally guraranteed freedom. Lots of straight couples get turned down too. The child's future is more important than a adult's feelings. Right now in California they are pushing again for text books that go so far they take out any mention of normal mom and dad families because it might offend gay people. Surprise a lot of gay people are in power in California. Sounds like a wierd form of Nazism to me. Who is the aggressor here? Take you. You attack me politically on gay rights when the subject is religion in a comic book automatically. You seem awfully concerned about this subject. Are you gay by an chance? I just want people to get out of my face on this whole thing. Get it off the TV, movies, and off of politics. You do what you want but shut up about it.
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gays don't choose. you didn't choose to like girls. saying that you chose to marry your wife is not the same thing as being sexually attracted to her and what if someone is attracted to a tree stump? Should they just go with it? How about other more terrible things I don't want to mention? Think about it. Where do you draw the line because I'd gurantee that you or one of your buddies you are standing up for would secretly love to push the boundaries so far it'd make every American cringe. Right now that is, but in another 10 years who knows. The line keeps getting pushed backward. Every liberal knows they can't get their way too fast. They have to push it a little at a time ever so slowly. Lord only knows what you really think Zod.
And don't compare me to the KKK, the last time I checked I didn't have time to go attack someone in their own yard, or run around at all hours of the night looking for somebody to whoop up on. Get a grip pal. You are so far out there you're going to need a space suit and a rocket to come home.
You don't need religion. You need God. Here's an experiment for you. If you are so sure we are wrong. Then why don't you try to pray one day. Just ask God to reveal himself to you. Ask God if Jesus really was his Son, and if there really is a hell and a heaven. Did Jesus really die for your sins? Take you 10 seconds, but if you really mean it, you might just find out the answers without arguing with me and DH for all eternity.
And please don't disrespect God. Not for me but for yourself, and for others that might be reading this.
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