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The future of the studio's recent comic book adaptation, 2006's "Superman Returns," is somewhat more dubious. That film cost $209 million (even after various tax rebates) and marketing costs sent expenses upward of $300 million, but director Bryan Singer's Man of Steel picture made only $201 million domestically. While insiders say the movie was profitable, the studio mandated major cost cuts before proceeding with a sequel.
"If we do a sequel to 'Superman,' we want it to be less expensive," Horn acknowledges. "I have to see a screenplay before I say yes to anything. But the studio would be willing to spend as much as $175 million if the screenplay and other factors warranted it."
Still, Singer has announced that he plans to direct a second "Superman" project.
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I vote they don't make another Superman film with ANYONE associated from the Superman Returns film!! __________________
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That was an awful movie. As bad as the Hulk... __________________
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Posted: 10 Jul 2007 23:34
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Worse!! __________________
The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10)
"I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14)
"I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
HAHAHA....about the same to me!!! __________________
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You guys are going to discourage the making of a new movie. I just know it.
You know what hurts movies like that worse than anything is the ending. If the ending isn't right with lots of excitement it kills the whole thing. __________________
The whole movie sucked not just the ending. The effects the story, the acting, it was so bad. The worst part for me was when Superman flew it was so horrible. Like when he caught the plane, it was worse than a bad graphics video game. I almost left the theatre it was so bad. Yeah and I spelled Theater...Theatre. It's British hehehee. Like Centre.
Anyways, what a horrible movie. please just don't do another one...please for the love of all that's right in this world...just don't do it. __________________
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Oh come on now, the plane scene was awesome, and the whole bullet in the eye bit too. It just lacked a big fight scene or two.
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dharvey, why did you hate it? as i said in a past post, i'm not trying to stir the pot. i just hope it had nothing to do with singer being gay. i hope you hated it for a good reason. i liked it. it was a little slow in some spots but i liked it.
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Quote: dharvey, why did you hate it?
Well let's see, the movie was an insult to the first Christopher Reeve Superman film as much of the storyline for Superman Returns film seemed to try to copy it. The acting was atrocious, the effects on Smallville beat this movie a thousand times over - and Smallville operates on a television budget, and what really topped it off was they had to say "Truth, Justice, and all that other stuff" instead of "Truth, Justice, and The American Way". They tried to save the movie by using footage of Brando but to no avail. Honestly, I'd rather watch paint dry than Superman Returns. __________________
The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10)
"I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14)
"I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
Well I ignored the Singer gay thing because he didn't put it in the movie that I saw. As I've said before I just want hollywood to keep it out of my face. So I try to judge the movie based on what I saw.
I did hate the rephrasing of the Truth, Justice, and the American Way. Clearly that was from a liberal influence. The main problem for me was the lack of combat. No supervillain fight. Brandon Routh was not bad. I didn't think. Would I have rather seen Tom Welling? Yes, because he's a good actor, and I like the idea of some kind of continuity. I'd rather have one Superman at a time.
But Singer being gay might have influenced the movie the wrong direction for no other reason than he being liberally minded might not have clearly understood the Superman mythology. To seperate truth, justice, and the American way from Superman to play to the world was wrong and clearly did not work. Even Spider-man 3 sneaks in the American flag just like Spider-man 2 and it did wonderfully well in the foreign markets. It also managed to uphold some feelings of traditional moral values. Let's face it a hero who puts his life on the line to protect the weak is going to have to be a little more moral than the rest of us. It comes with the territory. It's like the old Roy Rogers type of westerns where the hero always drank milk and shot the gun out of the gunslingers hands. It's like an exaggeration of real life. Nobody goes around wearing a mask protecting the weak, and catching criminals for free. So you have to ask yourself what kind of guy would do that. Singer's Superman didn't quite fit the bill. He seemed maybe a little more selficious than old Superman fans see him, less moral. If Superman doesn't seem overly moral like the milk drinking cowboys then he's not Superman. Call him something else if you want, but in the end Superman's traits and characteristics are engrained in our subconscious minds from countless comics, and tv shows. I think Dean Cain and George Reeves represented onscreen Superman's moral compass perfectly. Christopher Reeve was the perfect physical embodiment of Superman of course. There were a couple of things I would have disagreed with even on the old Superman movie and Superman II, but he showed his American and traditional roots in those movies to the point it almost gives you a lump in your throat. The opening sequence in Smallville from Superman the movie was beautiful. It was bigger than life. I think Singer's Superman may have been more Kryptonian than American. Sure it's a very important part of who he is, but how you are raised ultimately defines you unless of course you turn your back on your upbringing which isn't as likely with the kind loving Kents doing the raising. He's a country boy in a big city who just happens to have super powers and a super intellect. Superman's heart defines him.
But Singer and whoever else was involved in Superman Returns did come up with some great special effects, some reasonably good actors, etc. Bringing the voice of Marlon Brando back was a smart move. I could honestly watch the movie over and over again but by the time I get to the end I'm bored. Just nothing there to look forward to. Visually though the movie is good. The costume and everything is a little dark though. One other point in all fairness the movie did make more than Batman Begins from what I've read, and yet we are now for sure getting another Batman movie and still wondering about another Superman movie. I know too many cooks spoil a dinner, but I really wish they'd get a couple of directors involved like maybe that Transformers guy. He really does know how to relate to the audience. Superman is a huge endeavour and it really does need as much thought money, and time as possible. I was reading the other day how Superman 4 was plagued with a budget that was cut in half. From what I read they almost just gave up after that. Of course a good movie doesn't have to have a big budget, but it helps. It also helps when everybody working on the movie is really motivated and loves the character like Sam Raimi loves Spider-man. __________________
D.Man I agree. I was extremely disappointed just from the fact that Smallville had way better acting and special effects. I had no idea that buddy was gay. That has no bearing on me at all. How ever if they made Superman Gay then I wouldn't have watched the film at all. Anyways D.Man hit it on the head for me. __________________
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The only "Gay" aspect of the film that was apparent to me was quite frankly, the costume.
It screamed of "design by Joel Schumacher"..(sans nipples)
I never in my life, after seeing Superman in media from the Kirk Alyn serials, George Reeves, EVEN Dean Cain, to Christopher Reeve..., Never in my life had I seen a Superman costume any Gay-er than Brandon Routh's.
If I had been in his shoes, and the lead character , I would have taken advantage earlier in production and refused to wear the Damn thing.
I expected tweaks to the iconic Superman suit. I just didn't expect it to look like something a guy called "Mary" would be fawning over, eager to put on.
I'm not being derogatory, just honest.
I just don't understand why there hasn't been a larger outcry over this ridiculous looking costume.
It feminines the character, and you just don't like watching a Superman film when the Man of Steel by appearence looks like he swings both ways.
Posted: 05 Aug 2007 00:07 Last Edited By: Aerolectric
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...Tim, I'm backing you up 100%
Ok, if you look at costumes like Supe's as being gay then the entire comic book universe is a big rainbow parade.
To everyone who hated Superman Returns, do the others a huge favor. If you don't want to see a sequal, FINE. But for those of us who do, don't ruin it; it's really selfish of you not wanting another movie, if you know it will be bad, then don't go and see it. Simple as that. __________________
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The special effects in Superman Returns just wasn't that outstanding. True, the airplane sequence was the film's only high point, but even THAT wasn't the best special effect ever put to film.
There have been too many film of late whose special effects far out strip those of Superman Returns.
Peter Jackson alone, with the Ring Trilogy and King Kong films had special effects far and above those of Superman Returns.
The CGI flying effects were just too phony looking, and Superman looked more like a video game figure than an actual human being.
I think Tim, that you fall into the category of people who are too desperate for a Superman film.
I've been a Superman fan for over fifty years. I've had to wait just as long as everyone else for Returns.
The difference between us is I'd rather not see a sequel if Singer is going to continue in the Donner-ish clone of Superman..That whole Fairy Tale/Fantasy aura of reality that it is steeped in.
It was an absolutely stupid move to clone Donner's Superman Canon..
You know, there were rumors that after Warner had firmly re-established the Superman and Batman film franchises as profitable,..The next move on the agenda was to make a "World's Finest" film, featuring Superman and Batman together.
I'd say that prospect is unworkable now, as the Bale Batman is grounded in a more realistic and dramatic setting, whereas Singer (as I keep hammering home) has planted the Routh Superman into the quasi-"Fairy Tale"/Fantasy quality of the Donner films.
The two won't mesh into a believable and acceptable combination to make a believable action film.
Bale's Batman will be put in the awkward position of dealing with the silliness of Donner continuity.
It just won't work.
I want a fresh start and original take with Superman, just like Director Nolan gave Batman in Batman Begins.
How would you have liked it, or felt if Nolan had instead followed Joel Schumacher's lead in bringing Batman back to film? Tim Burton?
Fear of not getting another Superman film isn't what you should make a guiding principle.
I sincerely plead and urge anyone who has read my post starting the "Letter Drive to Oust Singer from Superman Franchise" thread to get actively involved in letting your voice be heard at Warner Brothers.
I've provided the needed information. All you have to do is write the letters and drop them off at the post office.
It's not like I'm asking you to do brick work.
To anyone who sincerely cares, please take a proactive step. Useless efforts only apply when you don't try.
Trying in itself is an accomplishment. Indifference accomplishes nothing.
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You are putting me and others in a bad mood, I'm sure you enjoy about talking about what's right an what's wrong. Let's all play the blame game right? Singer was bad right? He shouldn't do anymore films huh? I don't like this, and I don't like that. Do you enjoy that? Do you take pleasure from telling everyone what a problem is and who is to blame for it? Do you like telling people how to fix your problems?
You've made your point.
Now if you don't mind, please leave the real fans to talk positively without the constant nuisance of a pessimist. __________________
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That's absurd..You're demonstrating a lack of knowledge of what was behind the design of Super hero costumes dating back to the pulps of the thirties.
There's a difference in a Super Hero costume and a suit that's been "tweaked" to elicit certain effects.
I never said Superman's iconic costume looked Gay, I said Singer's version does.
I'm not going to argue with you about this.
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I'm well within my rights and only giving the opposing view. If you have issues with that, it's not my problem. I'm not attacking you or referring to you in a negative fashion.
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Negitive fashion? The heck you aren't. __________________
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I wasn't speaking to you . I was responding to Tim . You've jumped in an evidently want to quarrel rather discuss the matter, and I addressed that.
So what's your purpose in trying to get a rise out of me now?
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Actually, my purpose for responding the way I did was in response of your negative attitude. Don't you think there's enough of that right now? We don't need more. __________________
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Okay, I get it. You just aren't going to be satisfied unless you get a shouting match. You've come to the wrong place.
My points and views are valid. Plenty of people share them when it comes to Singer's treatment of Superman.
If you disagree, its your right.
But trying to start an insult and innuendo match isn't going to cut it.
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That's the exact opposite of what I asked for... __________________
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All I'm saying is attacking me for my views is counter productive for the both of us.
I'm not being negative.
I HAVE advocated a re-start for the Superman franchise. Most the posts prior to yours and Tim and mine, lean heavily in that direction and dissatisfaction with Singer's Superman.
I'm just encouraging a pro-active movement toward removing him and getting a better film.
I'm sorry you see that as being negative.
I see it as positive.
But it was never my intention for us to be giving each other the "business"..Its not necessary and its not adult.
So truce, OK?
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Heh.
Interstingly, you point out the major points of your reasoning before you say truce. I'm not exactly sure how that works, but oh well.
Truce. __________________
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I know it's not intentional on your part, but this is really starting to get humorous. I don't know if you're looking for some kind of concession or what.
I'm sorry..I've said "Truce" under the circumstances I put forth, and there was nothing improper about it,and STILL you want to find fault!
I outgrew Merry go Rounds decades ago.
I think you're a fine fellow who just has a wee bit of a problem in smoothing things over with individuals amicably without some small gain.
I'm saying Truce regardless..And That's That.
Post what you will, I'm not going in any more circles.
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It just goes to show you politics and religion ain't the only thing people can get very passionate about.
I welcome any opinions pro or con. It's actually good to have opposing views. It gives us all something to discuss. I do hope we can all do it without getting too mad though.
It's funny when you think about it, the next guy that comes on here might be so pro-Singer that he blasts us all out. There's no way we are all going to agree perfectly right down the line on these things especially something like Superman. We've all grown up with different versions, and so we all have our own idea of the perfect Superman. I see the point of starting over again with a new director, and I also see the good points of Superman Returns. I don't think it's worth us all losing our cool though unless it's fun for you. Sometimes you know getting into a heated debate is actually a lot of fun. In some weird way it's almost addictive. But anyway you all keep talking I'm having fun reading. __________________
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You guys are going to discourage the making of a new movie. I just know it.
That's the exact opposite of what I asked for...
