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This from superherohype.com
One of the most talked-about topics online these days is Warner Bros.' Justice League of America adaptation, which Happy Feet director George Miller is reportedly attached to. Reports have said that the superhero team-up movie would include Batman, Superman, The Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman and the Green Lantern, that casting would start next week, and that Christian Bale (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight) and Brandon Routh (Superman, Superman: Man of Steel) would not be involved. It didn't quite make sense how Warner Bros. would be able to pull it off, but perhaps now we know how they can. IESB.net says that the movie might be a CGI/performance capture project, much like The Polar Express, and the upcoming Beowulf and Avatar. Here's a bit of the scoop the site received: However, and take this with a grain of salt, Imageworks are apparently in the running to provide services on the JLA film, competing with R&H and possibly WETA (the latter being unconfirmed). But the real interesting thing about this is that the contract is for an all-cgi "photo-real" motion capture movie, much like the upcoming Beowulf. If the reports hold up, expect Justice League of America to go into production early 2008. ______________ Man I hope not. How lame. I was disapointed in the fact the Turles Movie was CGI. I mean I bought the movie sure, but I still rather had a real movie like the old days. Come on. I want to see a live action Superman and Batman roaming around a big screen. I'm about sick of cgi cartoons anyway. __________________ |
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2007 00:10 | ||
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You know? I'd rather see a live action movie, but with all the hate towards certain actors and actresses. I think doing a CGI one would be a smarter choice. As long as they making it a little darker to show the true side; I don't have a problem with it. __________________ |
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2007 01:11 | ||
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I don't think they are going to make as much money as the other big cgi movies. It wouldn't lend itself as well to cartoon form as say the Incredibles I don't think. They probably think it would come out cheaper for them though. __________________ |
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2007 01:58 | ||
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Effects wise, it would probably be easier. __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2007 14:53 | ||
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I think the idea of an all CGI JLA film stinks to high heaven.
If the rumor pans out to be true, it's just another example of Warner Bros. long, well established history of making mis-steps and foul ups in the way they handle super hero films. They just don't understand the fans of the genre. Remember this, Warner Bros. has always been able to take a successful film franchise and quickly turn it into an albatross, a shambles. Batman Begins has been the first time in decades that Warner has shown it can do a super hero film right. Superman Returns has done nothing but cause division, and it definitely wasn't the windfall cash cow they hoped it would be. Now a JLA MOCAP (Motion Capture/CGI) Movie????? The whole idea sucks. I don't agree with David that a MOCAP film would be easier. It takes a great deal longer to do an all CGI film by Motion Capture. (You know, where they place sensors all over key points on an actors body, have him act out the sequences they want to do in computer animation.) They couldn't get the film out by early 2009 by using the process, so all of these rumors are confusing and contradictory. It makes sense, and yet doesn't make sense (as far as explaining the recasting of the parts for Batman and Superman, MOCAP is the perfect explanation. The Director is free to cast whomever he wants, after all, you'll essentially in reality be watching a high dollar cartoon) Personally I think the whole idea of a CGI film is ridiculous and very disappointing. But Warner bros being Warner Bros, with their history with the genre of super heroes, well, it doesn't surprise me one bit. Everyone keeps making the statement that a live JLA film would be difficult to do. I don't believe that for one minute. It's more of a question of having a good director and script, (as in ANY film). Anyway, over at CHUD, in an article addressing all the rumors surround the Justice League and CGI etc., the writer winds down his article by saying this,(I've edited the swear word for anyone sensitive to that.) "...But who knows what the **** is really going on anyway? Between Warner Bros deep interest in getting themselves a good franchise or six, the impending strike clouding all decision making, and the fact that even the best sources could misconstrue or misreport things, I’ve decided not to believe anything completely until I see it officially announced." http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=11539 The article is by Devin Faraci, and while he doesn't shed anymore light on the issue than what's already going around, I think his position is the only sensible one to take. |
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2007 14:56 | ||
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Quote: My bad, I misread and understood it to be a straight out CGI film, not MOCAPCGI.I don't agree with David that a MOCAP film would be easier. It takes a great deal longer to do an all CGI film by Motion Capture. __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10) "I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14) "I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2007 22:11 | ||
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Quote: I'm agreeing with dude on this one. I really want a live action JLA movie. Sure I'd watch it, but I'm extremely disapointed at the idea of a cgi JLA movie. I'd just as soon watch another JLA cartoon.I think the idea of an all CGI JLA film stinks to high heaven. __________________ |
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| Posted: 24 Aug 2007 00:38 | ||
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I'm not starting a fight or anything Clarksglasses, I'm merely curious. For you this would be a lesser of 2 evils question.
Would you prefer a live action JL with bad casting or the CGI? __________________ |
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| Posted: 24 Aug 2007 01:27 | ||
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That's a no-Brainer for me, I'd take a risk on bad casting for a live action film ANY day of the week.
Superhero fare is just fantasy stuff to begin with, I know that. So is ALMOST ALL action /adventure themed films. When did you ever see a real life archaeologist get into the outlandish high adventure that Indiana Jones did? Even the James Bond films were pure fantasy (Although I think Daniel Craig in Casino Royale did a wonderful job re-inventing Bond.) My point is, super hero genre or not, I'm not five years old, and I don't watch cartoons unless it's Family Dad.. Leave the GGI junk to Nickelodeon and the kiddies..Give em' a sequel to the Incredibles or something. I want meat and potatoes with my Justice League. What's the deal with worry over risking bad casting?. Why make ANY movie flesh and blood LIVE if THAT'S going to be the issue that leads to Armageddon?? Hell yes! make it live and stow that CGI garbage. CGI is good for two things..For special effects that enhance the live action, or for kiddie movies. You're not going to catch me in a theater sucking my thumb watching an all CGI Justice League cartoon. (Dang, I feel like Joe Biden, I take the long way around to give a short answer.) |
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| I meant Family "GUY", I get it and American Dad mixed up. Family Guy is my preference. | ||
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I meant Family "GUY", I get it and American Dad mixed up. Family Guy is my preference. Mine 2. 
Actually, I didn't mean the risk of bad casting, but knowing for certain that there's bad casting. But still I see where you're coming from. So if you feel that about all CGI and cartoons, what would you think of some of Stan Lee's latest animated flicks, such as The Avengers, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, etc. Even though they were animated, I believe they did a good job portraying the characters and their situations. Once again your responses make me curious. __________________ |
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I'm a old guy that loves cartoons myself. Superhero cartoons, Bugs Bunny, Flintstones, and the live action 3 stooges shorts. Forget growing up it's for the birds. I like the old stuff comedy wise, action wise the new stuff is better as far as cartoons go. I'm just really getting tired of the over abundance of cgi movies. They are cranking them out too fast and the quality is dropping very sharply. __________________ |
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| Posted: 24 Aug 2007 08:24 | ||
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I might've went over the top with my previous response, but I'm sincere about the CGI. Doesn't interest me one bit.
There's nothing like a live, flesh, blood, and bone human being. I'll take one over CGI any day of the week. That's where you get your real entertainment, watching real human beings interact. I'm not in the slightest interested in seeing the Justice League if it's going to be nothing but MOCAP with voice overs. The thing about FX and tech is, you can only wow people so much with it for so long, then it becomes common place, and from there it becomes pedestrian. CGI should be a tool as far as I'm concerned. Not a replacement for real people. Other than that, it's okay for kiddie movies maybe. I'm just saying I'm not paying for a ticket stub to sit and watch Computer Graphics on steroids, and not a live human being to be seen anywhere. Could you imagine the outcry if Spielberg announced the new Indiana Jones film was going to be all CGI? |
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Quote: Yeah, all of us Indiana Jones fans would go nuts. You make a point though. What's next CGI James Bond?Could you imagine the outcry if Spielberg announced the new Indiana Jones film was going to be all CGI? __________________ |
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Regarding CGI and the JLA Tim, you made a comment about the quality of these films.
Myself, as I said, I want real actors. So here's the question, how long exactly would it take to turn out a decent quality CGI film when you're talking about the Justice League? I have a reason for asking. I'm pasting in the text from an article just released today. "Studios stock up as contract deadlines loom. By Jay A. Fernandez and John Horn, Special to The Times August 26, 2007 "JUSTICE League of America" is exactly the kind of movie Warner Bros. loves to make. Based on the classic DC Comics series, the script is filled with a dream team of recognizable superheroes -- Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash -- and could not only become its own franchise, but also could spin off individual character sequels, TV shows and merchandise (Green Lantern Underoos, anyone?). But even a roster of superheroes may not have enough special powers to repel the nastiest villain on Hollywood's horizon: an impending labor dispute that could devastate the local economy. Rush to production Photo Gallery Rush to production "JLA" is but one of many projects caught in an industrywide scramble to assemble films that can be completed before a potential talent strike shuts down film production next summer, according to interviews with two dozen studio executives, agents, producers and screenwriters. Studio executives and producers are accelerating screenplay revisions and A-list directors are postponing editing so they can compile footage on back-to-back movies should actors swap punch lines for picket lines. The studios are mindful of the mistakes they made in 2001's similarly prolonged contract skirmish, when frenzied decision-making led to miscasting, half-baked screenplays and poorly matched filmmakers. Or, more than usual, anyway. Though a strike never happened, the resulting overabundance of undercooked cinema ("The Truth About Charlie," "Reign of Fire," "Dark Blue") left everyone with a hangover. The studios' contracts with the Screen Actors Guild and Directors Guild of America expire June 30. Their deal with the Writers Guild of America runs out this October, but the WGA is expected to work without a new pact temporarily, hoping the delay will give it more clout as the DGA and SAG contracts also expire. While the guilds have separate demands, they are united in their quest for revenues from new media such as video on demand, Web downloads and cellphone content. To beat the strike deadlines, the studios must start filming by March 1. While some high-profile projects are coming together quickly, other prominent movies -- "JLA," Will Ferrell's "Land of the Lost," Matt Damon's "The Fighter," Eddie Murphy's "Fantasy Island" -- must clear logistical, financial and political hurdles to move forward. "The next four weeks are really critical," says Paramount production chief Brad Weston. "Movies are coming together and falling apart by the day." "JLA" is a perfect test case. With concurrent individual comic book franchises already running -- a "Batman" sequel is in production and a "Superman Returns" sequel is possible -- there's the danger of confusing fans with simultaneous versions of the same characters. Furthermore, the current Batman, Christian Bale, is quickly becoming one of the most sought-after actors and apparently has little interest in an additional trip to the Bat Cave. "JLA" also could create something of a superhero glut since Warner Bros. greenlighted "Watchmen," another DC Comics adaptation that just started preproduction with "300" director Zack Snyder. Worried that "JLA" might undercut his Batman sequel, "The Dark Knight," director Chris Nolan isn't thrilled with the current "JLA" plans, according to people familiar with his thinking. A spokeswoman for the director said, "Chris Nolan is knee-deep in production on 'The Dark Knight' [and] has not commented on a potential 'JLA' movie or any other project." Regardless, Warner Bros., which declined to comment, needs to hire a "JLA" director immediately to guide any further rewrites and attract actors. As it is, numerous directors have been passing on the project, although "Happy Feet's" George Miller may end up in the chair. Like any last-minute rescue, time is of the essence." (This is going to be a long post.) Evidently the guys who wrote this up are lacking in keeping up with current events, as George Miller IS the JLA director. But from what I'm gathering from this write up, Warner wants to rush this and other films through before the looming labor strikes take place. So which is faster to do, live action or CGI? If it's rushed CGI, how can good can the quality be? Along with these questions, what about the Superhero franchises Warner wants to spin off from the JLA? Surely the execs don't believe they can start a slew of Superhero film franchises ALL in full CGI format?? Who wants to see a Green Lantern film, or Martian Manhunter that's all CGI? More importantly, what quality is the film going to be over all, CGI or live action, since the studio is rushing to beat a strike deadline? In another article on another film, some light is shed on the situation. Read below.. "The clock is running fast everywhere you look. Screen Gems bought the remake rights to a horror film and gave the seller a 30-day progress-to-production deadline, meaning that the movie must be greenlighted inside of a month. To meet the deadline, the producers hired a screenwriting duo to crank out a script in just seven days. Some studios are considering moving forward on big-budget, effects-driven movies with no more than a detailed treatment that would at least allow preproduction to begin. Universal hopes to make a fourth "The Fast and the Furious" film even though it does not have a script or director." A lot of issues going on in Hollywood, a lot of questions hanging in the air.I want to go in this further, but I've taken up enough space already. |
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Big NEWS!!!! TOM WELLING MAY PLAY SUPERMAN IN JLA FILM...CGI ISSUE PUT TO REST..
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read& ... |
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| Posted: 25 Aug 2007 17:26 | ||
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Tom Welling as Superman is awesome. I hope it happens, and I hope JLA is not cgi. Thanks for all the info. __________________ |
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It would be nice for Smallville to run its course before Tom had to consider playing Superman. __________________ The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
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| Posted: 25 Aug 2007 20:33 | ||
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True but Smallville has been on 6 years already, if they make the jump to Superman movies or even figure a way to incorporate more of the inevitable transition story for Clark to Superman in Smallville it could be very interesting.
I'm excited to see what's going to happen. I think Smallville has enough of a cast they can make do while Tom Welling is away. It's like those old shows like Gunsmoke, Waltons, Little House, they all started focusing on other characters beside the main star toward the end. Now mind you I don't want Welling to quit. The show is over if he quits completely. __________________ |
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I'm still waiting, after Smallville is over, that the make a series called Metropolis or something.
Something like Smallville in tights.  __________________ |
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