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towards the movie Superman Returns are not
adequate. I believe that the movie was misinterpreted
by a group of people that obviously do not love
the charismatic hero.
I believe that Superman Returns defined Superman as
an innocent man from another world that truly needed to accept his feelings for Lois Lane and discover
that "to love and save the world are as important as
to love a woman and be a father".
Superman Returns wants to present the pain and anguish of a man that now was saving the world but loosing the woman he loves along with his child. The movie was well written and directed, although
Mr. Clark Kent argument of being out from
being a reporter for five years was absurd. The
argument that Superman dissapeared for five years without saying "goodbye" to Lois was not credible because of the intense frienship that previous movies
and comic books presented. I found also Lois Lane to
be too cold to Clark Kent like he had never bought
her a hamburger and too open to her new love. Perhaps
was written that way as a critizism towards the cold end of Superman II when Lois Lane almost fainted and I do not know how many people thought she was already expecting a baby. Superman did not make a commintment because he did not want to (exept of continue buying her hamburgers).
Finally, the actings of Kate Bosworth and Brandon
Routh were good but I think Brandon Routh was better
performing Clark Kent who looked more handsome than Superman (an important moment in Superman's trajectory. I believe Routh looked too careless in some important scenes in which he needed to perform a confussed and stressed Superman. I think Brandon
Routh can deliver a better Superman in the sequel.
It is obvious he is not a bad actor.
Sometimes people cannot judge well because they
do not observe, they simply look.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 19:16
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clark'glasses is going to jump on you if/when he reads this, fair warning.
But yeah, I almost completely agree with you, Kate and Brandon coulda' done better acting, but they weren't bad. The plot? yeah it's getting old, but that doesn't been it's not good. Lets see any other villain (except for maybe Dr. Doom) try and create his own continent and succeed. __________________
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I'm not going to "jump" on anyone, but the simple truth is Superman Returns isn't the movie you've described.
It's an overly suffocating and laboriously ponderous film with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (with the exception of FX, such as the airplane catch.) The plot and sub plots went from mediocre to ludicrous, and the acting by Routh and Bosworth was atrocious. The subtext of the film is disturbing. Take away all the super powers and flying, and you got a man engaging in a lot of illegal behavior.
Acting...Compare Routh's deadpan stare or small facial gestures to Christopher Reeve's acting in Superman the Movie (from which Returns borrowed from so heavily). Even in the action sequences, Reeve ACTED, and you saw it in his face, constantly. Watch both films back to back, paying attention ONLY to the acting by Reeve and laughably, by Routh.
Clark and Lois...The chemistry between Routh and Bosworth was nonexistent. Look at the night flight with Routh and Bosworth,(which bordered on creepiness) in contrast to the inspiring night flight between Reeve and Kidder.
And finally, the gut wrenching, soul searing scream of Reeve at the death of "Lois Lane". Reeve was an actor. Routh is a Mime.
So what did Superman Returns succeed at, more than any other incarnation of Superman, in film or television before it?
Polarizing the fan base.
The mere fact you and I are posting opposing assessments to the film is evidence of that. The fact that a website like Singer's Superman Sucks exists is a testament to that polarization.
Fans descend into fits and rants arguing over this film all over the internet, in blogs and fan site message boards. I've never seen a Superman film so sharply divide the fan base as Returns has. Its not because the film has been "mis-interpreted", its because a great many of us don't like it. It falls far short of what it should have been. I'm still waiting for a Superman film. Singer doesn't know how to make one.
Posted: 08 Oct 2007 03:18
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skymusicleader (SML) said it all i think. i liked the movie but i didn't think it was awesome. i was a little, a tiny bit, disappointed the first time i saw it but i've seen it a coupla times since over the last year and a half and i think it got better everytime. my final rating would be 3.5 **'s out of 5. i think the sequel will be better. clarksglasses, i think a website like singer superman sucks exists because there will always be a group of people who don't like something and will find something to complain about. there are people who don't like star wars. can you believe that? who the hell doesn't like star wars? there are people who didn't like lord of the rings. there are people, i can hardly believe, who didn't like indiana jones. anyway, anyone see the new batman trailer? The Dark Knight.
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Everyone should like Indiana Jones movies. When I was a kid that was like the biggest baddest thing I've ever seen before not counting Star Wars and Superman the movie which was a little bit higher on my favorite movies of all time list. __________________
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The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10)
"I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14)
"I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
Well, there's always movie critics that give it a hard time, but I like the films! __________________
The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10)
"I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14)
"I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
Not always, but generally movie critics tend to like the most boring movies ever made. If it makes tons of money there's usually a pretty good chance they don't like it. __________________
I liked Star Wars, I liked Lord of the Rings, I liked Indiana Jones.
My reasons for not liking Superman Returns has nothing to do with "finding something to complain about.
"Singer's Superman Sucks" has more than its fair share of over the edge posters, but the webmaster isn't a guy who is just looking for stuff to complain about. He hated the film for the same reasons I did.
I'm not going to break the film down in depth for all the reasons I found the film wanting.
It just simply was a very poor excuse for a Superman film. A good story is a good story. A story full of chasm sized plot holes and preposterous to ludicrous story concepts is a bad story.
I hate the overuse of Lex Luthor in these films, going back to Donner, but to make one point.
At least in Superman the Movie, Luthor's land scheme involved creating new beach front property. (At the expense of the lives of populations.)
In Returns, Luthor's grand land scheme is to turn valuable property into worthless jutting rock and stone.
Now there's a talented, smart Realtor for ya!
Ridiculous..
I can literally tear this film apart on several levels.
I don't like it, and hope to never see a sequel to it.
On another point, from 2006 to 2010 is quite a while to wait for a sequel don't you think? I mean, you know, for a POPULAR, SUCCESSFUL film that made the studio so much money that they couldn't wait to do another?
I say bring on the JLA film and a new Superman, I don't care who he is as long as Singer isn't involved, and the actor wears a REAL Superman costume. Superman needs to be re-booted.
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If it destroys everything on it, including the actual owners, that's pretty valuable. Undeveloped land is incredibly cheap compared to metropolitan centers.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2007 20:39
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"If it destroys everything on it, including the actual owners, that's pretty valuable. Undeveloped land is incredibly cheap compared to metropolitan centers.
It's just a movie......"
Unfertile rock and stone, no soil, IS NOT "Undeveloped Land" and is worthless. Land is LAND..You can grow trees, crops, develop it, landscape it.
Barren Stone as far as the eye can see is stone. No value.
It's just a movie, and a bad one. Ed Wood would have been proud to have been such an inspiration.
If you're that easy to please, good for you. I expect more value for my dollar.
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Quote: Unfertile rock and stone, no soil, IS NOT "Undeveloped Land" and is worthless.
It's not farmland but it will hold alot of real estate. A square foot of space in Manhattan costs more monthly than most mortgages in rest of country.
That movie is probably better than any you've made....
BTW, I never said I even liked the film. __________________
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"It's not farmland but it will hold alot of real estate. A square foot of space in Manhattan costs more monthly than most mortgages in rest of country."
Your position now is bordering on the nonsensical. Luthor's plan wasn't just to rid get rid of Metropolis. He was thinking on a much larger scale. Even so, Manhattan has to have fertile soil for trees, grass, etc. Otherwise oxygen would be a scarce commodity.
Besides, Manhattan wasn't quarried out of rock and it's inhabitants living in cliffs and caves chiseled from barren stone and jutting rock.. But that's neither here nor there. The film was a bore.
By the way, I never asked if you liked the film. You don't have to get so defensive.
As far as creativity goes, I have some experience with writing a Superman story, and it's received professional praise from published writers and comic book professionals alike. Tim should know who I am, and knows I'm telling the truth.
Superman Doomsday is just a cartoon, and even with its limitations as such,(substance and depth) is a superior film to Returns.
Dedicated fan boys are blind to everything but their devotion, they have no objectivity. so they won't admit Returns missed the mark by a country mile.
I've been a Superman fan for decades, but I'm not a fan boy. I don't praise everything with the "S" shield on it just to be loyal to the icon.
Returns was a ponderous bore.
On a different, but related note, follow this link..
Scroll to the right side of the video window pane, and select "Dean Cain, one of TV's Many Supermen..." and choose that video to watch.
In an appearance on the KTLA morning show, Cain was on talking about his guest appearance on an upcoming episode of Smallville as well as his time in the tights. When the subject of Singer's Superman was breached by one of the morning news anchors (who himself even called the film "not very good"). He kind of puts Cain on the spot about his impressions of the film. Cain's response: 'Um it didnt do very well at the box office...but it was umm "visually stunning," I'll tell you that."
That was the only positive that Cain could come up with to say about Returns.
Posted: 15 Oct 2007 01:48 Last Edited By: Aerolectric
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I'm not sure about anyone else, but Superman Doomsday was false.
Where was the Cyborg? Superboy? The rest of the JLA carrying Superman's casket? No, Superman Doomsday was a huge letdown. The only thing Superman Doomsday was better on then Superman Returns was effects. __________________
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"I'm not sure about anyone else, but Superman Doomsday was false."
So you were expecting maybe a twelve to fifteen, maybe twenty hour cartoon covering the entire "Reign of the Supermen" saga?
The story line had to be retooled to fit in the alloted time and format a animated film for crying out loud.
Have you ever read the original novel "Jurassic Park"?
Spielberg's film is a FAR CRY from the original Michael Crichton book (which is ten times better).
Like with ALL adaptations to film, Spielberg had to drastically rework the story to fit in a two hour time frame. Likewise the same was done for the Doomsday cartoon. There wasn't time for the Cyborg or Steel, etc. etc.
I sense here that I'm discussing this stuff with children rather than adults. If that's the case, I see no point in pursuing the discussion.
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Quote: You don't have to get so defensive
When people go out of their way to be aggressive, a reaction like that is bound to follow.
Quote: I have some experience with writing a Superman story
Anything published?
Quote: Returns was a ponderous bore.
So is your tirade. __________________
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Posted: 15 Oct 2007 02:25 Last Edited By: Aerolectric
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Thank you, Pak.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people liked it, some people didn't. It's a fact that nothing can be can be agreed on by everyone.
Things only go bad in these situations when others try to make others not like it. Misery loves company.
This site is a positive site, right Tim? __________________
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Oh well.
doh!
