There is talk on TV Guide that the Lost season-ender will (SPOILER ALERT) culminate with "the incident" referred to by Marvin Candle in the first orientation video. __________________
Ok in this orientation video he talks about an experiment and then goes into detail about having to push the button and putting in the code. I guess that goes back to the hatch days.
Weird-it seems the losties are going to create the need for the button and the countdown and it involves using the computer? __________________
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Posted: 18 Mar 2009 21:24
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Found this -
Both the Swan Station orientation film, as well as revisions of the map on the blast door in the station, suggest that there was some sort of "incident" that took place on the Island at some point, ostensibly before the time the Swan Station's film was made in 1980. In the edit of the film (found in the Arrow Station by Mr. Eko), Dr. Candle insists that the computer at the Swan Station not be used for any other purpose, specifically to communicate with other stations, and indicates it had something to do with the incident and the need to prevent another one. It remains to be revealed just what this "incident" was.
After the incident, according to notations on the blast door map, the Dharma Initiative's facilities on the Island seemed to fall into disrepair. The blast door map has many annotations about destroyed access tunnels, a breakdown in the Cerberus Security System and mentions facilities being abandoned or destroyed via other 'incidents' or 'accidents' specifically happening on Dec 7 1987, October 28 1984 and another in 1985. By the time Rousseau and her freighter crew shipwrecked on the Island, in 1988, many of the facilities on the Island have been abandoned including the radio tower. At no point did the Dharma Initiative attempt a search and rescue for Danielle or her crew, even during the 4 years between Danielle putting her message on a continuous loop and the time of the Purge.
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Don't understand how it all fits, but maybe you can make sense of it. __________________
Well, first is that it's confirmed that they're back in the 70's, so this does make sense there. There's actually speculation that it's Hurley's voice doing the loop of numbers before Rousseau starts her own loop over the top of it. As for the blast door map, for someone to make those annotations, it would have to be someone who knew both before and after to comment on and our list of suspects narrows down to Desmond of course, Daniel, Widmore, Richard Alpert, Patchy and (on a whim) either Mr Paik or Christian Shepherd, if not the mysterious Jacob(who is another mystery all by himself, as he could be any of them or someone else altogether).
Perhaps the incident they're referring to is a time paradox-like what Daniel was trying to (supposedly)prevent when he made Sawyer not visit Desmond right before he himself did visit Desmond. If one of the people uses the computer back in the 70's to contact themselves in this period of time, said individual might try to contact their future or past self and with quantum mechanics, the results are wildly unpredictable. It could be some simple event and all is well, kinda similar to Clark using the legion ring to stop Linda Lake and it winds up killing her only, to the next step which was Davis learning that Clark is the other Kryptonian which sparks off a whole new chain of events as we're going to see on that show. We learnd from the movie 'Timecop' that two copies of the same person can't inhabit the same space, so fiction or no, with time travel being the fiction that it is at this time, this may play a factor on damaging some properties of the island if not the actual terrain. The incident by all probability is what caused the 'purge' whatever this is(I'm guessing they don't mean when Ben orchestrated the massacre of the Dharma Inititive but I could be wrong). That incident is probably why the slave ship is stuck in the jungle as well. At the far end of the spectrum with quantum mechanics, if something of enough consequence happens in one time continuum-it could conceivably collapse all possible time strands-everything could cease to exist altogether(something akin to Crisis on Infinite Earths for the comic fans, just on a larger scale and beyond anyone's control with nothing left standing,not one continuity surviving).
To sum that up, they have quite a lot of wiggle room and it should be rather interesting with whatever angle they've chosen.
On a side note with the time paradox business-I did find it interesting that Richard gave Locke that compass as something of a signal to himself in a different time, which suggests to me that Richard is a whole other level of involved than we've seen already(and yes, I am keeping in mind his visit with Locke as a child when he offered John the compass amongst the other items).
I'm glad i have the box sets-something tells me I'm going to need them all once the series ends to figure out alot of things. __________________
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Posted: 19 Mar 2009 16:22
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Quote: I'm guessing they don't mean when Ben orchestrated the massacre of the Dharma Inititive but I could be wrong
That's what I thought it was though.
In looking at wiki to get stuff for my tvcrazy.net site Lost section I have found that Richard is supposed to be old which means he may not be traveling through time like I first thought.
Quote: The mysteries surrounding his ageless character were heavily discussed among the fan community. Although being present in scenes from the 1950s to the 2000s, Richard does not appear to age. In "The Man Behind the Curtain" Ben says "You do remember birthdays, don't you?" to Richard. When asked at the 2008 Comic-Con International how old Richard is, lead Lost actor Matthew Fox guessed 125, which Lost producer Damon Lindelof said was wrong.When Locke asks Juliet how old Richard is in "Jughead", she simply replies "old". In "This Place Is Death," Christian seemed to suggest that Richard Alpert and he are somewhat familiar with each other and their agendas for the Island, but did not elaborate.
Perhaps there is a humongous mystery behind Richard we will not know till the end. I wonder if he's from outer space or something. He acts like that guy from that old sci-fi alien movie they just redid with Keanu Reeves.
Did you ever see him back when he played Batmanuel on the Tick?
Anyway I can see a story where he landed on earth back in the days of the giant statue. Maybe the island was the original home of Atlantis. I may be stretching the clues a bit here, but there is obviously something big at the end of this trail. __________________
If you watch that last secret/recap vid I posted from Seanie B he goes into detail about Richard and how he's probably Egyptian in origin, like the giant statue and all the hieroglyphs scattered around the island.
Also, after watching last nights episode, I'm thinking it has something to do with that Radzinski guy that was so very protective of 'his' station, telling Jin to keep his hands off. Quick reminder, the guy who worked with Desmond in the hatch had explained that Radzinski had blown his brains out on the wall way back in season 2(had to look this up, Kelvin Inman, played by Clancy Brown)-this same person is also the one that got Sayid to tortune someone for info on our side and he also was stationed/worked with Kate's dad if I remember correctly. Perhaps the 'incident' is what happens to Radzinski, who maybe didn't kill himself actually and died as a result of one of the losties being there.
As for the Atlantis theory, I think that was presented to the producers before along with Purgatory and Heaven/Hell-all have been shot down to my knowledge, straight by them. __________________
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Posted: 19 Mar 2009 17:13 Last Edited By: Tim
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Richard does look Egyptian, but here's something to keep in mind. UFO buffs have sometimes linked Egyptians to UFOs just like in Stargate.
Some trivia I found out. Did you know Oceanic Airlines has been presented in other movies and TV shows besides Lost.
Executive Decision: Oceanic Flight 343 from Athens to Washington, DC was skyjacked by Islamic terrorists.
* For Love Of The Game: An Oceanic flight is announced over the PA system in the airport lounge near the end of the movie.
* Nowhere to Land: A Boeing 747-200 from Sydney to LAX flying with a bomb programmed to detonate one hour prior to landing at LAX.
* Code 11-14: an FBI agent searches for a murderer aboard Oceanic Flight 816, a Boeing 747SP, bound for Los Angeles from Sydney.
* Lost: The show explores the aftermath of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 from Sydney to Los Angeles. The producers of Lost also created a website for the fictional airline, including clues and references to the show's plot. In flashforwards, a group of the characters that survive the crash are nicknamed the "Oceanic Six" (Hurley, Kate, Jack, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron).
* Alias: Oceanic's flight to Sydney is briefly mentioned in an announcement when the show's lead character Sydney Bristow is at Los Angeles International Airport. Alias and Lost were both created by J. J. Abrams.
* LAX: 01.13 "Senator's Daughter" (first aired 16 April 2006): Advertisements and computers in airport terminals in LAX read "Oceanic Airlines".
* Pushing Daisies: 01.01 "Pie-lette" (02 October 2007): An Oceanic Airlines advertisement is displayed in the travel agency.
* Chuck: 01.02 "Chuck versus the Helicopter" (01 October 2007): Chuck is viewing a series of photographs when one prompts him to recall the secret information to which he had been exposed by Bryce Larkin. He begins revealing apparently unconnected secrets, including, "Oceanic Flight 815 was shot down by a surface-to-air..." This suggests a different cause for the explosion on Oceanic Flight 815 from that revealed in Lost.
* Fringe: 01.09 "The Dreamscape" (25 November 2008): When the FBI was checking the apartment of a murdered Massive Dynamic employee, Agent Olivia Dunham found an airline ticket from Oceanic Airlines. The flight destination printed on the ticket was Omaha, Nebraska, and the date of the flight, 22 December. Fringe was also created by JJ Abrams.
* Alex: Bankers Alex Masterley and Clive Reed appear as the only survivors of an Oceanic Airlines aircrash in the Amazon Rainforest in Brazil. __________________
