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SupermanTV.net Forum / Superman / General Discussion / Lost / LOST - Season 5 Episode 10 - Secrets and Recap

Posted:  02 Apr 2009 05:59

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Posted:  02 Apr 2009 19:29
On last night's episode Whatever Happened, Happened" it would seem I'm right. Sayid has indeed created the evil Ben since Richard said in order to heal young Ben, he would have to lose his innocence. I knew Sayid shouldn't have shot that kid. And Jack in not operating on Ben does the exact same thing. If he would have operated Ben would have never found himself in the clutches of the others.

So perhaps the moral of the story is do right no mater what, or even though you think you are doing good it will bite you in the end.

Oh surfer dude commentator is wrong about one thing I think. Ben couldn't have sent Sayid into the past to shoot Ben because Ben is supposedly supposed to not have a memory of being shot. Of course that could change.

Seems as though Surfer commentator did agree with me on the Sayid creating evil Ben scenario.
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Posted:  02 Apr 2009 21:43
Just a quick reminder-anyone that thinks they have quantum mechanics figured out doesn't understand quantum mechanics. At least that's what I'm told. My knowledge on the subject comes from probably the same sources as Hurley's, or yours Tim.

If what turns Ben evil is whatever Richard does to him, then no, it was not solely dependant on Sayid shooting him. If that kid that freed Sayid is definitely the same one that grows up to become the maniacal genius adult, he should have remembered Sayid when they met up again. Ben could have been used as a sacrifice for the hostiles that Sawyer killed instead of the corpse they sent over. Ben could have just walked back over to Richard's side on a whim after another beating. Maybe Richard would have been pissed that they built yet another station on his island and then put his plan in motion recruiting ben at that point. There are endless ways that Ben could have wound up with the hostiles that didn't depend on Sayid shooting him.

As for blaming Jack, it's funny how Sawyer got the right answer of saving the kid regardless of who they grow up to be and he didn't. The conman got 'the moral of the story' and the healer didn't-must be all that reading he does. Again though, Ben could have wound up in Richard's care through any number of circumstances, none of which required Jack's intervention while there are undoubtedly some that would have included Jack.

While we're playing the blame game, why not include Kate and Sawyer? They're the ones who actually delivered the kid up to Richard handily. Again, maybe they had to be involved, maybe not.

The one thing we know for sure is that Ben is changed after whatever Richard does to him. We can also be pretty sure that adult Ben didn't recognize the man who shot him as a child which leaves us with two sci-fi possibilities(that i can think of). One is fresh on my mind because of Heroes, and this would be a shape shifter. As far fetched as that might be, I've had my suspicions about the smoke monster being able to imitate people and animals for a long time now. (Think back to how Vincent would never be around while the smoke monster was). This is probably not exactly what they had in mind though. 

I want you to think back to that Dharma film where the doctor has the bunny and there's some commotion and they wind up with a duplicate and the doctor starts freaking out before the film ends. There has to be a reason we were shown that a while back. I strongly believe we wind up with an adult malevolent evil genius because Richard uses the island to create a clone. Magic or science, you decide.
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Posted:  03 Apr 2009 15:49
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he should have remembered Sayid when they met up again.
But Richard said he would no longer remember this event. Very convenient I know, but that's what he said.


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There are endless ways that Ben could have wound up with the hostiles that didn't depend on Sayid shooting him.

I think it's the healing of Ben from the brink of death that changes him. Sort of like being born again only into evil.

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While we're playing the blame game, why not include Kate and Sawyer?
Good point. They had a clear conscience I guess you could say, up to Richard said this fixing Ben thing was going to remove all of his innocence. That was obviously a clear sign that this is going to be the catalyst for all the bad stuff Ben does in the future. Now my question is did Sawyer and Kate know the purge was done by Ben?

A clone ...very interesting. Could Richard be a clone? Could Richard be the smoke monster? Maybe the smoke monster is a shape shifting alien? My head hurts, but I must figure this out before the final episode.

Maybe Richard doesn't age because he clones himself over and over again. Isn't there something weird that we have seen one and only one different looking Richard before. Remember the long haired Richard? Why was he different looking then?

Oh by the way if you missed the Life On Mars series. you missed a pretty good show. Had a very decent ending I thought.
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Posted:  03 Apr 2009 20:11
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But Richard said he would no longer remember this event.

That helps the idea of cloning, at least to me.

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I think it's the healing of Ben from the brink of death that changes him.

That's certainly possible but the only definite spot we know he changes is when Richard takes him in. There are plenty of ways to almost die on that island, many of which can be done with a father who's abusive and a drunk, then the local wildlife which certain gifted people can make appear at will like polar bears, then there's the smoke monster and the visage of his mom which could have led to him chasing it right off a cliff just like Jack did when he was chasing his dad's ghost. I still believe it doesn't take the near death as a prerequisite though. I believe Ben just had to wind up under Richard's authority somehow, and any way he actually got there got us the adult Ben we know.

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Now my question is did Sawyer and Kate know the purge was done by Ben?

I'm not sure those two even know of the purge or the circumstances around it.

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Remember the long haired Richard? Why was he different looking then?

We don't know yet.

I did watch the last few episodes of Life on Mars, and considering how quick they had to wrap things up, they probably handled it as best they could. It wasn't a bad show, but I can't say I'm going to miss it. I hope Harvey Keitel gets a new show.
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Posted:  03 Apr 2009 20:38
One of the things I liked about Life On Mars was besides Lost it's the only show on TV based in the 1970's. Made it unique. A world view from another era. Amazing how many detective CSI type shows are on and succeed and how many goofy reality shows. How come something a little different can't make it? That's what I want to know.
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