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SupermanTV.net Forum / Superman / General Discussion / Lost / LOST - Season 5 Episode 11 - Secrets and Recap

Posted:  09 Apr 2009 10:44

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Posted:  09 Apr 2009 18:30
You know I have to question  as to why Locke and Ben think the island is an intelligent entity all to itself. When they say the island wants this or the island wants that could they really be referring to the smoke monster?
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Posted:  09 Apr 2009 19:28
no, they refer to the island, they don't believe it's sentient like you or me, the view it almost religiously.  Like it's a never wrong type of thing, like fate.
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Posted:  09 Apr 2009 19:58
Locke seems to think it's telling him what to do though.
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Posted:  09 Apr 2009 21:04
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When they say the island wants this or the island wants that could they really be referring to the smoke monster?

Nope. Smokey is an agent of the island, almost to the same extent as Ben or Locke who both seem to know less than Richard Alpert, and as similarly to Christian Shepherd or Jacob(and probably Vincent).

Locke has been acting on that faith since 815 crashed and he got his legs back. Meanwhile, Ben has been acting as if he were in control the whole time, at least on the same level as Widmore and Richard. The island just put him on the same train as Locke now however through the agent(if not just the visage) of his dead daughter in the most recent episode.

As for the island itself, it does give many gifts and it does seem to have it's price for those gifts. This would seem to be what they're referring to when they speak of what the island 'wants'.
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 01:31
I swear though they act as though the island is actually communicating to some degree actual orders. Like didn't Widmore suggest the island wanted that baby Ben's stolen daughter dead? How does an island want or command anything? I hope by the end there is revealed some kind of intelligence moving these people around. Of course, I guess the island could also be Jacob whoever the heck he is.
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 05:21
I think of the island more as a deity, something that can command, yet people can interpret the commands differently, or refuse to believe them at all.

What people say the island "wants" is more a belief on their part of what they think or have some hypothisis on what event needs to take place next.

It's interesting pak that you said (for all intensive purposes, let's just call him that) smokey was an agent.  Charlotte said "This place is death", and in the recent episode, there was a carving of smokey and Anubis the Egyptian god for death. The carving looked as if anubis was ordering or working with smokey.

my theory?  What if the island is Anubis?

This poses a question, how could the Egyptians get to/know about the island?  Only way I can think of was if the island appeared just north of egypt in the Mediterranean sea?  The only arrow that could shoot this theory down was the episode where the old lady showed them a map of speculated positions of where the island has moved.  I don't remember if that particular spot was there or could be seen in that episode.

anyway, my 2 cents.  Things I'd like explained are: the 2 bodies found on the cave in season 1--who are/were they?  The egyptian statue when Sawyer, Juliet and other others were playing hopscotch with the time space continuum.  Where in hell (and I might not be too far off) is Claire?  (Besides shooting that new tv show :P ) and finally, where has Daniel been?
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 09:52
I think as Ben pointed out, the command to kill Alex was directly from Widmore(for whatever reason) and not directly from Jacob as Widmore seems to have pretended.

The island has given many, if not all of them, some level of guidance if not explicit instructions. Some of them spot dead relatives to chase like in Jack's case, some get reminders of their past like heroin from heaven in Charlie's case, others get spirit animals like Kate's horse and the Polar bear Sawyer took down, others face down smokey like Eko did and more recently Ben-with different results, others like Locke get direct commands from the likes of Jacob and Jack's dad. Some even get orders off the island like all of Hugo's imaginary friends and Michael's visits by Tom and Christian.

I think the island is some sort of wicked cross of a ouija board and Egyptian sacred burial ground or even temple of death-for better or worse.

That carving(painting?) looked as if Anubis was consulting smokey, or vice versa. I think it might also possibly be saying they're the same being, as through a transferrance. Aside from that, I'm also reminded of how the tarot card of death is actually a representation of change, thus a beginning, instead of just life's end. Considering how the Egyptians worked with pictology, perception is entirely the key and this is a show that constantly plays with perceptions. Considering also the large part faith plays on the show, that new beginning past death might be a very strong theme after all.

Adam and Eve(cutesy codename for skeletons in the cave) are supposed to be Rose and Bernard according to one theory, the DeGroots according to another. It could wind up being Nikki and Paolo. We're just gonna have to wait and see.

The big statue was supposed to be a goddess of fertility(and the name completely escapes me). What I recall is it held an ankh in each hand, if you feel like doing the research.

The producers have already said they're not in purgatory or Hell. 'They're all alive somewhere' is the exact quote.

Daniel's been giving Vincent some exercise to get his mind off Charlotte.(probably not but maybe)
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 10:04
Couldn't resist looking for it. It's Tawaret.
and you can own her lovely visage as a handy dandy candle holder! (or not) Best pic I found of her.

http://www.goddessgift.net/egyptian-hippo-goddess-taweret-candleh ...
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