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I really hate the new costume! I was reared on Superman as a child and what he stood for. First of all TRUTH - He was true to his calling he was 100% Man of Steel not a kinder, gentler Person of Flexible Metal or Persuasion. Second, JUSTICE - The costume alone does not do him any justice at all. The color is very dull and from what I know in every comic that I have read of Superman and in all the pictures that I am familiar with his costume stood out to let you know that he was who he was bold just as the justice he stood for. And lastly, THE AMERICAN WAY - As far as I know that many things haven't changed yet to have a Gender Bender Fairy to be called our Number One Superhero. What is the meaning behind the women's low rider panties and push-up bra symbol on his chest. Yes, he may have the look but if you don't have correct costume you don't have anything. Superman has a "S" symbol that fit his entire chest boldly, not plastic or Playdough. He also had fitting trunks that his belt held at the waist not not on his hips (ASS) like some gay stripper. His colors are RED, BLUE and Yellow not Rust, sludgewater and mucus. Let him again be Super and a MAN!!!!!
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| Posted: 13 May 2005 07:02 |
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Who the hell thought of changing an icons custome?
This is Superman not some Gay/femine gender bending sissy!!! This is the Man of freakin' steel!!!!! Stick to the real colors or just drop the project. They will save us all grief!!
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| Posted: 20 May 2005 15:44 |
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If they go with this costume I guess they can call him the wimp of jello. This costume makes him look like a WEAK version of SuperBOY. Maybe the gay comments are on. I guess we have to role with the times. Superman in drag.
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Hi
mi name is hector
i from sonora mexico
you serie is amaizing
ilike that
is super lana soy un super fanatico
no me pirdo ningun capitulo
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Brandon Routh is gay himself, and so is Bryan Singer, and a few others on the cast including Spacey, Penn, ect.
So yes this movie will be extreamly gay!
It's already shaping up this way...
Happy to see a forum where people are not afraid to tell it how it is!
The WB has messed up this movie, and its spitting in the face of Chris Reeve by recasting his role with some soap reject who cant act, and looks like a sissy trying to play Superman.
Chris Reeve was the perfect actor for the role, and a movie could not be made without another actor who is also as perfect for the role.
That actor's name is TOM WELLING!
He has the look, body size, and acting skills to pull off the part, and yes he's also a heterosexual!
Bryan only wants to advance his queer agenda in making comic book movies for fags!
Thanks WB for raping my favorite super hero, and once again messing up a great character...
If BATMAN, CATWOMAN were not enough! They just had to kill off Superman to!
I HATE THE WB & BRYAN SINGER! OH & U TO BRANDON! I HATE YOU ALL!
I hope that some terrorist blows himself up in the middle of the WB main office, and takes with him everyone who approved this blasphemy of a movie!
Then another one blows himself up on the set of this movie taking with him the rubbish that is the cast, and crew of this farce of a movie!
I call a JIHAD on this movie!!! JIHAD!
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Hmm... Ok in light of events going around the world at this time. Maybe you shouldn't mention that word.
Now come on Bryan Singer ain't gay. Did you know he's Marc Singer's cousin. You know the guy from V. It ain't really fair to judge Brandon Routh quite that harshly either, but this is America and you have the right to your opinion. The new suit does look a little funny, but let's not completely trash the movie until we see it.
Seriously though, Don't say that terrorist word. The last thing we need is somebody to take that the wrong way. Say scooby doo to you too, or may the force get them too, or step on a crack, and break your momma's back, go ahead make my day, win won for the gipper, anything, but that.
Ask yourself what would Superman say?
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Acually Tim it's a known fact that Bryan Singer is indeed gay...
There goes your whole arguement.
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2005 22:38 |
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Ok, I stand corrected. I just found a article that said the same thing. Hmm.. gee that worries me a little bit especially since Superman seems to be wearing panties. It would be funny if it wasn't so dang depressing.
Ok now what can we expect from the movie? I really hoped for a movie from a small town all American perspective. Not a big city liberal way out there kind of thing. I should have been concerned when I heard Lois Lane is going to be a mother out of wed lock.
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Ok people if Bryan Singer is gay then he obviously is an unusually gay male because I am thinking that he would probably want the Superman cotume as bright as possible. Maybe that is just my take on the situation but don't most gay men want their projects to be vibrantly outstanding. Then again maybe he spent a lot of time in the closet and sees things a little bit darker than other gay men. What do you think?
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| Posted: 09 Aug 2005 16:42 |
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I don't know superjon.
I just don't want this major motion picture I've been waiting for since I was a kid to see becoming a gay activist picture instead of a picture of Truth, Justice, and the American Way. And I don't care if it makes some people mad to say that. It's like Hollywood could have anything else they wanted to screw up, but why Superman. For love of all that's Americana why mess with Superman.
While researching this Bryan Singer thing, I read somewhere he might have some sort of hidden gay message about coming out of the closet. Probably related to Superman coming out of broom closet to change identities or something. They tried their best to relate mutant hatred and gay bashing. The X-men are one thing, but Superman has to have a old fashioned feel to it, not some liberal agenda.
I hope I'm wrong maybe by some miracle the movie will be something I can take my family too without feeling like we're being brainwashed by hidden subliminal messages. I know I probably spelled subliminal wrong, ok. For the record for any liberals reading this. I don't hate anybody, but I sure as heck don't have to agree with everybody to prove it.
Sorry for ranting, that wasn't attended to be at your superjon. I was just ranting in general. I know I really take this comic book stuff too seriously. I guess the little kid in me refuses to grow up. I still remember when I first saw the Superman movie on TV. I'm way to sentimental. O well life goes on.
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You people disturb me. You sound like the Nazis that the Superman of old (in, by the way, the vintage uniform that Singer is bringing back) fought against.
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| Posted: 10 Aug 2005 09:25 |
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What do you mean vintage uniform that Singer is trying to bring back? There is no Superman comic I have seen and/or read has never had him in a maroon and gun metal blue uniform it has always been a iluminting blue and a vibrant red. Just for the record I am not homophobic or a Nazi I am an average red, blooded comic book reading fan who doesn't want to see his favourite superhero unnecessarily upgraded just for the sake of whoevers own adgenda.
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| Posted: 10 Aug 2005 17:27 |
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Right why is it that anytime you say word one about the word gay, it becomes some sort of righteous anger thing. Marie I guess being such a big fan of Superman all these years, I almost feel like I own the character in some small way. If they turn this film into a pro-gay piece than what the heck have I waited 20 years for. I might as well stay home the night the movie comes out and wash the car or mow the yard. I want truth, justice, and the American way promoted not get preached to for 2 hours of the difficulty being gay in America.
Besides the Nazi thing is a bad example. Do you think for a moment that the American WW2 generation that fought the Nazis tyranny had enough tolerance for the gay lifestyle to fill a shoe? This whole big movement got it's big bang back when Clinton got elected. No offense to democrats, but it did.
If Singer makes a movie about truth, justice, and the American way, and Brandon wasn't picked specifically because he turns out to be gay then I'll watch it. But if Brandon suddenly announces he's gay and Oh what a hero he is to the gay community as the Man of Steel, then forget it. I'd rather watch paint dry.
Why doesn't anybody ever start a movement for skinny high school kids that get beat up every day, or a save the fat kid from humiliation, or don't pick on the short guy, or nerds are people to? People even get picked on for being too smart, and nobody gets called a Nazi for picking on these poor guys. If I was to start a movement than it would be to teach nerds how to lift weights and overcome the bullies in school. Now that's worth some righteous anger!
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If any of you truly believe in the ideals that you subscribe to Superman then you will own up to what you write. And what you are writing is OFFENSIVE. If you want to be offensive then go ahead, just be MAN enough to admit it.
examples of offensive:
"like some gay stripper", "Gay/femine gender bending sissy", "advance his queer agenda in making comic book movies for fags"
And, for the record, mentioning the word "gay" only inspires righteous anger when it is OBVIOUSLY being used in a negative manner. We can all read between the lines here people.
So I guess when any of you go to film school, direct multiple blockbuster films, line up funding, and write a script, you can make the film and dress Superman up however you want. But seeing as how that is not likely to happen, you're just going to have to deal with Singer's "GAY" version of the story.
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| Posted: 30 Aug 2005 17:48 |
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come on tim,superjon the costume is still superman its blue red and its got the superman S and he will fly and save people who are in trouble so give bryan singer some slack nobody else would step up to direct or play the man of steel so lay off brandon also the movie will be great so dont fret over nothing.
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digory what are you saying dude? Personally, I don't like to go off with that kind of language, but still are you saying that everyone who grew up reading and watching the adventures of Superman should just shut up and bow to the god of political correctness, and say, Oh well I guess I'll just have to be happy with the fact my childhood hero is now gay because that's what Mr. Singer has decreed, and it might offend someone if I don't like it. Cause pal like I've said before this ain't some TV show like Desperate Housewives. My childhood is not affected if everyone one of those characters goes gay, but leave comic icons like Supes alone. You see I still have a little bit of a kid inside, silly or not I don't want my old comic heroes changing to please politically correct natzis for anything. I just hope smallville21 is right and it comes out a nice simple story of Truth, Justice, and the American Way and not some great liberal agenda move.
One more thing digory when you think about it really, how righteous is it to promote a sexual lifestyle on a kids movie anyway? If thats where it is indeed leading.
"You can call me anything you want just smile when you say it, pilgrim. "
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First to digory you are right that I have never been to film school or directed a blockbuster film nor do I care if the man is gay or not because that is his business and nobody elses. I think if you read the letters that a lot of people have written they also could not care less about his sexuality but what they do have a problem with is the fact that Bryan is changing superman to suit the image he has in his head of superman. That is what we don't like because despite who he is or his sexuality does that give him the right to change the iconic image of superman to suit himself? NO IT DOES NOT. If it ain't broke then don't fix it. Now to smallville21 I have never said anything bad about Brandon in the lead role in fact I think it is a good thing that have chosen an unknown and I back the casting people who chose him for the role because he is the right height, build and look for the part and about Bryan Singer read above ok.
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| Posted: 31 Aug 2005 22:49 |
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well guys im sorry i got under your skins but the superman costume has changed for years check early comics then adventure of superman(george reeves),then chris reeve movies then lois and clark and now superman returns but to be honest i dont like the new suit much except for the S thats it.
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What I am saying is that there is a lot of negativity directed at gay people in this thread and that we shouldn't pretend that there is not.
SuperJon, I apologize to you, because you haven't written anything negative in this thread.
Why are we all assumming that Singer is changing anything archtypal about Superman? He changed the costume. That's all we know at this point. It seems to me that the darker colors in the costume reflect the state of mind Superman is in when he returns to Earth. From what I understand about the story he has traveled back to the site of Krypton's destruction and come back sincerely changed. That is some heavy sh**! Maybe he doesn't feel so bright and cheerful as he did before. Thats not messing with Superman thats called character development.
Why does everyone assume that just because Bryan Singer is gay he is going to promote any kind of "lifestyle" in this film? He's also Jewish, but no one is getting all freaked out that he is going to try and get us to go to Synagogue. X2 did have one scene that drew a parallel between mutants and gay people, but that also fit tightly into the story, which is about a repressed minority.
Tim, do you really think that Singer is going to use this film as a big platform to promote gay rights? Get real man! I would be surprised if there is even a single gay character. You seem to think that even a whif of gayness in the film will utterly ruin it and will be put there for the express purpose of brainwashing the children of america. Relax dude, its not going to happen. Superman is not going to become gay, he's not going to go to any gay rights rallies and he's not going to try and turn any little kids gay.
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Smallville21,I believe the one thing that all the other people did with regards to the superman costume was make subtle alterations but keep the same colours. I think if they give us more shots of Brandon in the suit then it probably will not look as bad as we all think it does and like I said Bryan Singer's private life is his own business and nobody elses. I have made reference to the idea that we need to see more promo shots before we should make up our own individual minds about it. Digory I am curious about where you got wind of the basic storyline for the movie.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2005 19:36 |
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cool alright thats done with oh check bluetights.com for supe returns story lines.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2005 20:28 |
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digory dude, I'm saying I hope it's not going to be a big gay movement. I'm not assuming anything.
I've read all kinds of things on the net like that not only is Singer gay, but Kevin Spacey too, but the only thing I read that really concerns me is that Brandon Routh might be gay and that he's going to come out of the closet just in time for the movie so he can be a big hero to the gay movement. If that turns out to be false then the movie will probably not suck as bad as I fear.
Dude one more thing just out of curiosity if members of this board were being prejudiced to a minority race would you be so defensive? How about remarks on fat people or people that are too skinny? I just once would like someone to stick up for the nerds of America, but that's just me.
Anyway forget about my rambling does anyone know if these Routh stories are just conspiracy theories or what? I really do hope that's all it is. I really do want the movie to rock! Singer or no Singer.
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Actors are not heroes. Not to the gay movement, not to anybody. Why would merely portraying Superman turn an actor into a hero?
Actors never come out of the closet unless they are forced to. The chances of an unknown actor coming out right before his high profile debut are nil.
What I want to know is why it would matter? When the lights go down in the theater I want to forget the real world. I don't care whether Superman is played by a shaved monkey as long as I believe in the story presented to me.
For the record, if the posters on this thread were being racist I would be just as defensive and so would a lot more people. I would probably let fat, skinny, and nerd jokes slide though. You can take up that banner.
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| Posted: 02 Sep 2005 18:48 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Don't take this the wrong way digory, It's not my intent to attack you or anything, but you missed the point. The thing about political correct causes is they miss the people who suffer that don't fit into a common category like the nerdy kid who feels all alone and get's knocked around at school only to go home and get knocked around some more.
Yes, it would matter to me if Supes was played by a gay guy. The thing is I want to think the actor feels the same values I hold dear as he portrays them on screen, assuming Superman still believes in truth, justice and the American way on this movie.
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Why would merely portraying Superman turn an actor into a hero?
Well gee, I don't know, the point was this what I read might be the goal of the movie makers. Obviously, there's an opportunity for something very symbolic there. It's all about public perception.
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Actors never come out of the closet unless they are forced to. Now come on nowadays they practically get a parade and a day named after them for coming out of the closet. At least in hollywood. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them didn't lie about being gay just to get work.
Why is it necessary to defend ones self for what used to be considered common sense just two decades ago? For the record just because someone doesn't bow down before a gay guy and pet him on the head and tell him how wonderful and brave he is for his great righteous struggle doesn't mean you are a threat to gay guys. It just means we have a grave disagreement on life in general. In America you don't have to bow before every way of life and smile about it. You can still say, you know I don't like that. It's called freedom of speech and I think a lot more people should start exercising that right. So chill.
Unless, you want it like it is Canada now where all so-called hate speech is outlawed. That's code for any speech the leaders don't agree with by the way. I guess the only reason I bother even discussing this is the idea that's being pushed in the media that if you protest any liberal agenda you are a hate mongeror and you are somehow dangerous. Heck, if I lived back in the 40's do you realize I would be considered a staunch liberal instead of a conservative. Remember thinking is a good thing. It's not dangerous to question the direction the country is going in unless you live in China.
Also for the record, I don't think a shaved monkey would make a good Superman either. Hilary and Bill are too busy to play Superman.
p.s No offense digory. I'm prone to going off on political and religious issues when the oportunity presents itself. I guess this really isn't the best forum to discuss political differences, however.
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Hey Tim, digory and smallville21 think about this, if Brandon is gay then Warner Bros arenot and won't allow him to come out of the closet because they are smart enough to know that mainstream public perception of homosexuality is still not good and his right to come out wouldn't be good for movie sales. But like I said it doesn't bother me one way or the other because it is his business and nobody elses.
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I respect your opinion superjon, but I guess I don't feel that way because as bad as I hate to admit it I'm emotionally attached to the whole Superman movie project, simply because it brings back so many memories from my childhood when I first saw the Christopher Reeve movie. I want my kid to see it and get the same sense of wonderment I did as a kid, and I just hate the idea that this whole thing could be tainted or screwed up in anyway. I mean it's not like Brandon is just the guy in the next cubicle at the office. This is a big movie project that a lot of families are going to share in viewing. I mean it doesn't bother me that there are gay guys working on it. That's just life there's bound to be all kinds working on something so big anyway. But the guy playing Superman? That kind of ruins it for me. If indeed some rumors are true. This whole discussion is hypothetical.
Basically, for those who still don't understand my positon. It would take a while to really explain so let's just say I was raised with old fashioned values in mind, and I don't believe in changing my opinions on things unless someone can come up with a logical reason I should. Just because Hollywood says I should accept something doesn't mean I'm instantly going to change my mind. Too many people change their minds on moral issues based on what their neighbor thinks. That's too chaotic. What's right 20 years ago is still right. 2 plus 2 is 4 and if Hollywood said it was 5 tomorrow it still wouldn't change the fact it equals 4. On the same token even though I believe in higher standards doesn't mean I've taken away the fact people make mistakes. We all do. I guess my beef is that society doesn't admit it's mistakes and tries to say right is wrong and wrong is right.
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That's cool Tim, I guess only time will tell about Brandon and the movie. I heard a couple of years ago they even threw about the idea of The Rock as superman now that would have been interesting to see if they could have made him look like a nerdy Clark Kent. A radio station over here said, jokingly of course, "they couldn't find enough spandex to fit him", hey what about that idea.
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The Rock has the right tough guy persona, but he doesn't quite look like Supes, but I don't think I've seen a movie yet he's been on I haven't liked. About the spandex thing, he probably is too bulky to play Superman. The Rundown was the best of his movies. I've got to get that one on DVD.
He would make a good Marvel Comics super hero, but I'm not sure who.
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Tim posted
"Now come on Bryan Singer ain't gay. Did you know he's Marc Singer's cousin. You know the guy from V."
Singer is an openly gay man. And he would be Marc Singer's adopted cousin as Bryan is adopted.
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