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I have not seen the film, and after hearing the story on Sean Hannity's program that the screen writer's for Superman Returns changed that Superman has here to fight for Truth, Justice, and The American Way to Truth, Justice, and that other stuff?????
I'm sorry but this is not a political slam, but this is a Moral slap!! I saw the jokers that wrote the Superman Returns screenplay on the A&E special about Superman, and it stupid that they cannot acknowledge what Superman stated why he was here for years!!!
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You know you are right. I thought the fact that word "American Way" was left out was a stupid thing to do. The particular scene you are referring to may have been paying tribute to Smallville's humorous take on that slogan when Clark said other stuff after truth and justice. But in Smallville it was funny. I just took it that Clark is still finding out what he stands for, but in Superman Returns classic lines Christopher Reeve used about traveling by air being statistically the safest way to go were there, but no "American Way".
I didn't see the program you are talking about so I can't say a whole lot about this since I have no idea if the writers of Superman Returns intentionally left out the "American Way" part of the slogan to be politically correct or if it was just overlooked.
If it was political correctness then it certainly was the stupidest thing they could ever do. For one there is nothing to be ashamed of in the American way. Thousands and thousands of Americans have died for the American way of life and if Hollywood is ashamed of that then they can kiss my..well you get the picture. But again I don't know that they left it out intentionally as a politically correct statment or not, and that makes a difference between a stupid forgiveable accidental mistake and something that would severely tick me off.
I do know this to me Superman will always be about Truth, Justice, and the American way.
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Thanks Tim, I heard this about leaving out "the American Way" on Sean Hannity's radio program today. I'm sure he'll be talking about it tonight on "Hannity & Colmes" on the Fox News Channel.
I think political correctness is growing like a cancer, and this is just the latest growth of the tumor.
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I think that leaving out "the American Way" is a moot point. They also say "It's a bird, it's a plane" but leave out "It's Superman!" I think that they writers were playing with popular catch-phrases from the Superman mythos and injecting them into the script.
Personally, I have fought for the American Way. I don't have to wear it on my sleeve.
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Well like I said it's all about whether or not it was done intentionally as a politically correct movement or not. You could leave it out accidentally which like I said was dumb, but if you do it because your afraid some guy from France is going to pout and cry because some said the word American then that ticks me off.
But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I hear more on it. I just hate the idea of politicall correctness with a passion. I see it on TV all the time. Somebody disagrees with another guy and instead of discussing it, they label the guy a hate monger and all of a sudden his opinion is worthless. Political correctness is the worst enemy of free discussion this country has ever seen.
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Agreed. The only way to solve problems in a rapidly developing country is with debate... not dancing around the problems.
My question is if you have seen the film yet dharvey1031? If so, how do you feel they handled the phrase? This is an interesting debate.
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'Superman Returns' eschews longtime patriot act
By Tatiana Siegel
Reuters
Friday, June 30, 2006; 2:02 PM
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Nevermind Superman's sexual orientation.
Here's another identity-related question likely to spark controversy as the Man of Steel soars into theaters nationwide this weekend in Warner Bros. Pictures' "Superman Returns" -- Is Superman still American?
Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel introduced the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1938, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve "truth, justice and the American way."
Whether kicking Nazi butt on the radio in the '40s or wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes on TV during the Cold War or even rescuing the White House's flag as his final feat in "Superman II," the Krypton-born, Smallville-raised Ubermensch always has been steeped in unmistakable U.S. symbolism.
But in his latest film incarnation, screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris sought to downplay Superman's long-standing patriot act. With one brief line uttered by actor Frank Langella, the caped superhero's mission transformed from "truth, justice and the American way" to "truth, justice and all that stuff."
"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."
In fact, Dougherty and Harris never even considered including "the American way" in their screenplay.
After the wunderkind writing duo ("X2: X-Men United") conceived "Superman's" story with director Bryan Singer during a Hawaiian vacation, they penned their first draft together and intentionally omitted what they considered to be a loaded and antiquated expression. That decision stood throughout the 140-day shoot in Australia, where the pair remained on-set to provide revisions and tweaks.
"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way' because the meaning of that today is somewhat uncertain," Ohio native Dougherty explains. "The ideal hasn't changed. I think when people say 'American way,' they're actually talking about what the 'American way' meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."
While audiences in Dubuque might bristle at Superman's newfound global agenda, patrons in Dubai likely will find the DC Comics protagonist more palatable.
And with the increasing importance of the overseas box office -- as evidenced by summer tentpoles like "The Da Vinci Code" -- foreign sensibilities can no longer be ignored.
"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."
But for Superman purists looking for a nod to the big blue Boy Scout's nationalistic loyalties, he is still saving Americans, albeit many with suspiciously Australian-sounding accents.
He foils Lex Luthor's nefarious plan to send millions from the nation's heartland to a watery death. And in his most impressive scene, the hero saves the day while a plane hurtles toward a baseball stadium full of fans enjoying America's pastime.
Although there is no indication that it is an American baseball game depicted, the scene was one of the few shot on U.S. soil, at Dodger Stadium.
Nevertheless, the long-standing member of the Justice League of America seems to have traded in his allegiance to the flag for an international passport.
"He's here for humanity," Dougherty says.
Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
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What a couple of nerds. If I was warner bros and I knew that was their attitude I would have hired somebody else right there and then. Superman is obviously important to me, but America is vastly more important and I could give a care less what people in outer Mongolia think about it.
Sheesh I just got through working out too, so now I'm ready to go bust some heads.
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Well... he is here for humanity. Superman has always saved lives all over the world. And the ideals of the "American Way" is so divided... more now than probably in the last 70 years... that it's the screenwriters covering their behinds behind the sheild of P.C.
What are we debating? Is it wrong that we are not told what Superman stands for? They didn't want to put it up there. Big deal. If they were using the American flag for toilet paper, then I'd be wicked pissed. But this? It doesn't bother me.
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"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."
Just another example of ignorance.
I had not planned on seeing the film when I first heard about it, and this just cements my decision in stone to avoid going to see the film.
It's said that they couldn't do better for a character that has been around for nearly seven decades. >:-(
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I think that not seeing a movie because you don't like how the writer personally thinks is a little silly. I mean, there's a lot of other things to gripe about that is more significant than what Perry White DOESN'T say. There are a lot of artists that I admire their work but I personally don't like the artist. It keeps my blood pressure low.
Ooooo.... new smiley faces. I must try this one out 
Anyway. Like I was saying... the movie's story isn't all that good dharvey1031. I will never say you should check it out for that reason. But it is visually stunning. This winter when the DVD comes out, you should get a buddy to rent it so you can watch it muted. Or for a gas... in a different language!
One more face...  (I'm not really mad... just thought it was cool)
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rabbitspam, I thank you for your opinion. While my reasons may seem silly, they are still my reasons. Besides, from what I'm reading on the financial reviews, the film is not doing too well. While the visual effects may be great, special effects do not save a film!
Something else that may seem silly is that I avoid listening to any music on the radio by the Dixie Chicks after their uncalled for remarks while they were performing over seas.
Anyhow, thanks again for your honest reply. It is refreshing to see honesty. 
BTW, I like the Batman smiley too! Cool, though I don't know why they have it replacing the mad smiley.
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The Dixie Chicks belong in the late 60's. They are way behind the times.
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__________________The Bible is so powerful. It's not to be left on your shelf. It's to outline even the simplest scriptures that can mean so much in building yourself up.
"I am God's workmanship." (Ephesians 2:10)
"I have been redeemed and forgiven." (Colossians 1:14)
"I am the salt and the light of the earth." (Matthew 5:13-14)
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I'm steamed check this out http://www.supermantv.net/messageboard/article77.htm
toward the bottom someone under the name Phoenix posted some crap about the American way. They even picked the wrong topic to post it under.
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toward the bottom someone under the name Phoenix posted some crap about the American way. They even picked the wrong topic to post it under.  they suck!
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they changed it cause nobody believes in the american way anymore. the american way is now about bullying weaker opponents, torturing innocent people and spying on it's own people. they just didn't want to alienate the viewers. truth and justice are no longer words that fit with the american way. to fight for truth, justice and the american way is now a contradiction thanks to george w. bush. i'm happy they left it out.
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| Posted: 07 Jul 2006 23:54 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Sorry Zod, I just can't hear you.
Seriously without getting in to a long drawn out fight which part of Saddam was a mass murderer did you not get?
And even if you thought Bush was the worst President in the world. Here me now Zod, Hitler couldn't stamp out the American dream. It would live on in the hearts and minds of any individual who yearns to worship as their God as they see fit, raise their family, and achieve their highest goals in life. Only in America can the highest aspirations of man be realized. So if you don't like the term "American Way" I assume you don't all it stands for including the very ideals and principles are founding fathers died for.
That was free.
Oh and others in history have tried to stamp out American ideals. You know Hitler, Stalin. All those who oppress their people with machine guns and claim themselves as gods above their fellow man. If I were you I wouldn't want to name myself among those men.
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i respect your opinion but i have to humbly disagree. you're right that only in america can the highest aspirations of man be realized.... except if you're black, gay, muslim, etc.if you're a white christian male, the skies the limit. if you're not... the limits the sky.if saddam was so bad (which he was) then why isn't the american gov't. invading north korea, or doing anything to stop the atrocities in the congo. why didn't they do anything to stop the genocide in rwanda? because there is no politlcal gain. but iraq has oil and they want control of it. saddam had nothing to do with 9-11. the principals that america were founded on are excellent but the current administration is making a mockery of them. if you're gonna compare anyone to stalin, hitler, etc. than take a look at the current white house administration.
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Look bud your just talking politics. Just because your guy didn't get in (assuming your from America) doesn't give you the right to make outlandish and just downright preposterous claims.
The last time I checked job applications didn't ask for your religious status or sexual orientation. So just how is the sky the limit for white Christian males, particularly if the manager or owner of the business happens to be gay, muslim, an elephant with purple dots, etc, etc etc,
As far as Korea goes we wouldn't be in this mess if Mr. Bill hadn't gave them the nuclear capabilities they now have.
Now lets leave at that, but if you want to discuss politics further add a post in the general section. I would be more than glad to talk to you about it there.
You wouldn't think it would be so friggin political to just have the words Truth, Justice, and the American Way on a superman movie like they were in the first movie and the TV show for all those years.
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just for the record, i'm canadian and if i had to limit myself to any sort of political belief system (ie:republican, democrate, etc.) i would say i'm a libertarian.but you're right... we did get off topic there for a bit... my point is that the producers of superman returns probably cut out the "american way" phrase because most people don't associate the words truth and justice with america anymore. maybe that was their way of letting their opinions on the matter be known... who knows?? but regardless... i think the phrase was a little dated since the superman mythos is about all the people on the planet....not just americans.anyway no hard feelings... and for the record.. clinton wasn't that great either.LOL
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Fair enough you are welcome to your own opinion. Doesn't mean I have to agree with you, but I'm glad we are back on the phrase thing. I guess the deal is things that have been with a character as long as the American Way with Superman shouldn't be discarded for a political statement. If it had just faded away, I might not be up in arms, but the logic of the writers to make it some political argument just blows my mind.
Back when Mr. Bill was President, I hated that guy with a passion, but I never once thought of taking it out on my own country or Superman for that matter. To think that somebody would suggest that America is somehow less worthy because they don't like the current administration is just immature and selficious, and that's just what the writers did by their attitude.
No hard feelings pal.
It's funny though I think a lot of people would have different attitudes if they would have grown up in let's say Russia in the cold war era. A man from Russia spoke at a local church here on Sunday whose family had been persecuted for being Christians. The guy's dad had been sent to Siberia for years to a work camp just for worshipping in an underground church. This was in the 1970's.
It's great to live in a free country. I just wish everyone would remember that.
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